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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:52 pm
My friend is 16 and pregnant. Her baby daddy is not around and her parents are completely unsupportive and neglectful. I'm trying my best to help but I'm losing my mind in the process. I don't know what to do. Any advise?
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:05 am
Is there anyone else she can go to for support? Don't get me wrong, a friend can be great for support, but if she's not going to get an abortion/give the baby up for adoption, then she's going to need a lot of financial help.
Urge her to go to Planned Parenthood, because maybe they can help her. At the very least, she NEEDS to see a doctor asap and get some pre-natal care. She doesn't have herself to worry about - she has an unborn baby to worry about too. If possible, she needs to get the baby's father into the picture too. He had a role in getting her pregnant, and now he needs to step up to his responsibilities. Talk to his parents if you can, and let them know what is going on.
If her parents aren't helpful and she's having financial problems, she might want to consider abortion or adoption. It wouldn't be fair to bring a child into the world if she can't give it a proper and well-cared for life.
Again, if you're comfortable with it, you can provide as much emotional support as you can, because she'll probably need it. However, if she and the baby's father had consensual sex, then this is THEIR problem, and THEY need to deal with it because it's THEIR responsibility. As a friend, you can only do so much, and it wouldn't be fair to ask you to dump so much responsibility on your shoulders when you're not that involved.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:14 am
She is getting pre-natal care and her parents will support her financially, but they act as if every little thing she does is wrong. They act like she isn't pregnant until she has to see the doctor. She isn't really that close to her family because she's adopted and she doesn't want her baby to ga through that. The father isn't in the picture because after she got pregnant, he got violent. She won't let her baby be near that.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:57 am
Since my knowledge on tihs topic is starting to run out, I'd suggest going to see the Gaian Parents Guild on Gaia. There's a link in the links sticky on the main page, or you can run it through a search in the GGn. Most of the members are pregnant, have children, etc.
Just because she had a crappy adoptive life doesn't mean that her child will if she gives it up for adoption. She could also look into open adoption, which would allow her to pick the adoptive family her child went to, and it would also give her visitation rights.
Even if her parents will financially support her, is it really a healthy environment for a new child to be brought into? To have its grandparents resent it and/or its mother because she messed up and got pregnant? How could the child feel if it grows up without a father? What about your friend supporting herself - what about a job, finances, and an education? What happens if her parents decide to stop supporting her? What if the father goes for custody of the child? Will your friend go for child support?
Just some things for your friend to consider before she gets her heart set on keeping the child. There's also abortion, if she thinks raising the child herself will be too hard, yet she doesn't want to give it up for adoption.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:00 pm
Going by the title, emancipation is EXTREMELY difficult to do and varies by state to state. If her family is going to be supporting her financially, no she can not be emancipated.
To be emancipated, that means she would have to have her own vehicle, insurance, a full time/steady job, doing well in school. Pretty much she has to be living on her own like an adult all ready and have the means to do so.
You say they act like she isn't pregnant till she sees the doctor. While I don't agree with what they're saying or doing, from their point of view, perhaps, they're doing it to be sure. This means she needs to get to the doctor ASAP so she can sit down with her family and also get the care she needs, regardless of what she chooses to do with the pregnancy.
Pregnancy isn't easy, being a mother isn't easy. I am going to dare to assume that she is probably NOT a canidate for emancipation, especially considering she is pregnant. I can look up state laws if you would like. I've looked up for other states before and people generally seem to have an idea that living on your own while taking care of another human being is easy, it's not.
It's hard for me to understand what you mean by her parents not being supportive and neglective. I would have to know more. I can understand not being close to an adoptive family, but it's a bit silly to assume that all adoptions turn out like that. There are open adoptions as well.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:46 pm
sayotb My friend is 16 and pregnant. Her baby daddy is not around and her parents are completely unsupportive and neglectful. I'm trying my best to help but I'm losing my mind in the process. I don't know what to do. Any advise? If you are wondering if she can emancipate herself legally, she already is. Having a baby qualifies you as an adult, with the legal status of a full fledged grown up, even if you're underage. Therefore, I suggest that she finds herself a supportive friend, gets a full time job and a babysitter for the baby when it comes (but still works as long as she can during the pregnancy), and then get herself a rental room in a house or something. Wither that, or see if she's stiill elligible for abortion. If not, she NEEDS to take proper prenatal care of the baby and for herself. Everything that she puts into her goes to the baby.
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:57 am
She's almost seven months and she is seeing a doctor for prenatal care. Her parents want her to give her baby( she's going to name him Jaron) up for adoption, but she really wants to take care of him and love him and have him with her. Her parents are telling her that either she gives him up or when she has him they are going to send her to a group home for two years. Then her probation officer told her she can't go to a group home, because she is on probation and can't move out of her house until it's over. She's on probation because her parents said she was an unruly child. Look, I've seen her house. Her parents are completely mental. There are deadbolts on every door and window except for her room. They won't let her go anywhere. Get this! On her sixteenth birthday, while her party was goingon outside, her parents were inside doing Bible study and basicly shouting out repentance for there daughters sins. ON HER SWEET SIXTEEN!! I think that shows that they have nothing but contempt for their daughter and her baby.
And thanks for the info about the emancipation.
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:08 pm
Luna had brought up quite a few of the questions I had on my mind as I read the first post, but I see from the last one in here, this situation is way more complicated then the OP made it out to be. Your friend couldn't just be put on legal probation: she's obviously had run ins with the legal system [for what none of us know] and is being monitered by them. Parents can't just call up the local PD and say, "Yeah, my kid needs to be put on probation...they're unruly." It just doesn't happen that way. So being on probation, we know she's done something that warrants her being monitered and doesn't allow for her to stay in the group home. And it might explain the deadbolts and locks, but as they AREN'T on her windows or door by your account, I'm not seeing how this is abusive or contemptuous towards her: there are plenty of families that for their safety and their childrens who have had to install locks, alarms and other obstacles to help keep their children out of trouble. That's not abuse.
Nor is being religious abusive.
Sorry, I'm not seeing your case and it sounds like teenage idealism that parents are supposed to be perfect and do what you want them to do rather then actually parenting.
From the sounds of it, this young lady has already made some very poor choices and her family is worried about her and trying to help her do what they feel is the correct thing to help get her life back on track. And most likely, they're also thinking about the baby and whether or not your friend will be able to properly care for him if she can't seem to keep herself out of trouble. But if she can't finish school and find a job, and YES, her past seems to hint she's might have trouble in these areas, I can honestly see why they'd be urging her the way they are.
It was her choice to have sex and get pregnant, but they shouldn't have to pay for her choice. They didn't ask for a baby or the financial responsibilities attached. I think teenagers very rarely take into consideration the fact that their choice affects everyone in the household. And heaven forbid that the grandparents who are going to have to pay the monetary portions of this, provide shelter, food, and most other things, be a little less then thrilled. To be honest, if in 16, 17, 18 years I had a son or daughter who came home and was like, "Guess what mom, I'm going to have a baby even though I'm not out of school, I have no job and YOU'RE going to provide for us," I can promise I'd be less then happy myself and probably not talking about the situation much either other then options that would allow my child to at least get his or her education finished.
They haven't kicked her out and they've been making sure she's getting pre-natal care. From the sounds of it, she legally can't leave until she's 18 anyway. While she may not be getting the emotional support she wants, you can help fill in there. But I wouldn't be ungrateful and say her parents are neglecting her: it's far from.
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:00 pm
You don't understand the situation. The deadbolts are used to keep her locked inside. Oh, and yes, your parents can call and have you put on probation for being unruly. My mom tried to do it to me, but backed out. If you defiantly refuse your parents they can have you locked up in a youth detention center. And isn't emotional support what she needs most now. She made a mistake, everybody does, but she didn't stop the world from turning and she shouldn't continually be punished for something that she didn't do by herself. It takes two. Her parents are making her feel that life isn't worth the pain. I don't know about you, but if I had a kid in trouble I would do whatever I could to help them. Not turn my back when they need me most. And she's not ungrateful. She has thanked them for everything they have done for her. Which I don't believe they deserve. After she got pregnant, as punishment, her parents stopped the search for their real mom. She might never know her real family. Could you live your life never knowing where you came from? I didn't think so. And if she gave up her baby she would have to watch other people raise her son. She would see him call someone else mommy. Don't you think that would be heartbreaking?
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:10 am
Now please tell me, why would the court system bother with someone when they haven't done anything wrong? I'm sorry, but whatever this "probation" is, it's not a legal one. You know why I say that? Because going on probation is a mark in your permanent record. Why on earth would any parent (or instituation, for that matter) intentionally give an innocent person all the baggage that comes with having a criminal record? This could make it extremely difficult for her to get a job later, or even just travel. I'm sorry, you're obviously confusing some sort of Dr. Phil "tough love" thing with the real legal stuff.
I agree with Pirate Dirge. We're only hearing one side of the story and that side (the teenage daughter who has gotten themselves in trouble) is notoriously unreliable.
And about living without knowing where you come from, yes, it's quite possible. I know many people who were adopted and never knew where they came from. Yeah, it hurts and all that. But you can "live" with it. Not only that, but why do her parents have to be the ones searching? Why is she making them do it for her? If it bothers her so much, why doesn't she just do it herself?
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:27 am
Yeah this situation seems to not add up and has that emotional taint to it. I understand you care for her and you're seeing things through young idealistic eyes.
First, I think you have it a little skewed what adoptions are like. JUST because she doesn't have the happy feelings in her family, doesn't mean it's going to happen to her future children. As a MOTHER, I would rather have someone else take care of my child and painfully have him call someone else mommy rather than be selfish and not be able to take care of him. She obviously has no way to have her own health insurance, how to provide for this child on her own, while getting an education--it screams being selfish. Yes, I understand a mother's love and all, but she obviously has NOT thought this through. Her parents are being pretty accepting than most in being there financially. She either needs to accept that fact that she's having them provide everything for her mistake or think of other options. Reality is harsh, but for the sake of this baby, someone needs to think about it's future. All I hear is how SHE'S going to feel if she gives up the baby for adoption.
No, your parents CANNOT put you on probation. My younger sister was an unrurly child and ran away, had drug tests, never on probation. I think in all honesty you're confusing the parents version of probation versus the REAL thing. MY parents put my on "probation" when I was bad. I can almost guarantee if you were to tell me what state you lived in, I could go talk to a lawyer on the phone in 5 minutes and tell me that's horseshit.
I don't understand why it has to be the parents to search for her biological mother? My mother was well into her adult year with 6 children before she found her bio mother on her own, I don't see why your friend can't do that. Probably because it takes MONEY. Think about it. They probably had to call it off because they are providing for your friend AND her unborn child financially.
I'm sorry if I come off as harsh, but I think it's something that is needed. This is only one idolized side of the situation. The teenage year and dealing with a pregnancy is a time full of turmoil and angst. A lot of times I think the situation is exaggerated at that age.
Yes, I understand it takes two when it comes to pregnancy, but she still is their daughter and under their care. There's nothing they can do if the father isn't in the picture, which all those sad sob stories about other people raising her son? What about the child not having a father? Don't you think that would be heartbreaking? Her family is providing finanial support for her AND her baby. Yes, they might not be the most supportive otherwise, but it costs money to raise a baby on your own, something people tend to forget. It sounds like she can't even get a job on her own right now, so this is something she's going to have to deal with with the choices she's made.
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:54 pm
lunashock As a MOTHER, I would rather have someone else take care of my child and painfully have him call someone else mommy rather than be selfish and not be able to take care of him. She obviously has no way to have her own health insurance, how to provide for this child on her own, while getting an education--it screams being selfish. Yes, I understand a mother's love and all, but she obviously has NOT thought this through. Agreed. If I got pregnant when I was younger, and I were not able to provide for my child, then I would at least go open adoption, if nothing else. Of course if would hurt me to see someone else raise my child, BUT giving my child up for adoption would be better than not being able to support it and give it what it needs. And as for being able to find one's own biological mother, my friend's mom did that. She was seperated from her mother as a child via our province's then-screwed up legal system, and didn't find her mother and other siblings until within the past 2 - 4 years. So yes, it IS possible.
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:59 am
I know finding your real parents is possible, but right now she's underage and she needs to know of any serious health problems that her baby could be born with. She already has MPK. Even if she can't support him on her own, she has friends who will help. And, YES, I can help her financially and I will when she needs it. And don't presume that I don't know what it's like to grow up without a father. I've been my whole life without someone to call daddy and I know it sucks. But at least I have my mother. Her son wouldn't have anyone, except who the courts thought we be nice. About probation, once again, you can be put on probation for being unruly and defiant in the state of Georgia. And if your lawyer friend says it's horseshit, then he needs to read his law books again, because I have had a cop tell me that it can happen. By the way, my eyes are idealized, they are moralized. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Would any of you enjoy being locked in a house? And that's exactly what the deadbolts are used for. To keep her in. What if the house caught on fire? She doesn't have the key, so she couldn't get out. Whether you call it abuse, neglect, or nothing, I know it isn't right. Anyone with any sense of morality knows it isn't right. I don't know about your morality status, but I would think that you had at least some. I came to this forum to get some advise for my friend and all I've gotten is people telling me that her life is screwed up and it's all her fault. Believe it or not people, you can't do everything on your own, and she didn't. Now unless you have some advise on how to make her relationship with her parents better or on how for her to deal with being a teenage mom, then please don't bother. I know the facts, I don't need anyone to tell them to me.
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 10:28 am
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:31 am
Well isn't that interesting that most of those definitions of 'unruly' are offenses that would get you into the system in the first place? That's a nice chunk of information up there, including the stuff about emancipation. And it's all straight from Georgia law.
Advice is about getting information and opinions and not just what you want to hear. If all you wanted was to hear what you want, you shouldn't have been asking for advice in the first place, you should have found yourself a group of 'yes men' who are more worried about keeping you happy then helping you out. So if you don't like hearing it, it's a little too late to be complaining about that; you're the one who asked.
As for our lives and how they go: we all have ownership in the choices that lead to our life's circumstances. Meaning you have complete control over your life and how things go. Victimhood is giving up your power and lying to yourself and saying you have no control over anything. So when I was a teenager at home, as long as I kept my nose clean, I didn't get punished. If I had developed a penchant for sneaking out, I'm sure I would have found locks on doors to help keep me in as well to try and keep me safe. When I was punished or I didn't like things I'd get upset about them, but I always had the insight to realize that something I DID prompted that response. Meaning I had complete control over those things and had I made a better decision, I wouldn't have been punished. It's not just parents being mean or -whine- unfair. They're just responding to the situation and trying to handle it as best they can.
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