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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:30 pm
So, a lawyer recently wants to see about putting the Catholic church on trial, for allegedly covering up the sexual abuse that happened for the time frame of around 30 to 40 years. Specifically the Pope is desired to stand trial, under oath, so as to profess what is really going on in the Catholic heirarchy. Do you feel the Pope should stand trial, just so that it feels that these poor families in the church are allowed to understand what sort of justice the church did? I personally think the Pope should take the chance, so that the people of the world may know what was done to rectify those situations. I feel though, the Pope will probably hide behind his head of state authority, so as to not stand trial in a domestic lawsuit brought forth in the US.
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:39 pm
I agree with you that the Pope should stand trial if for no other reason than to show that no man is above the law, not even a man of God. If he gets out of being put on trial due to his status it'll just undermine the system.
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:17 pm
I don't think the Pope himself should stand trial. I think that the accused priests should all stand trial for sure though.
The Pope wasn't even the Pope when this all went down. He should definitely have to give a testimony under oath to what the Catholic Institution covered up, but he himself should not be the one to face accusation.
As for the cover-up, I think it was more on a regional level than anything. The churches themselves would try to hide it from those above them. I think the Bishops over the regions where the majority of the problems exists were the main culprits of the cover-up conspiracy. Many cases would never have even seen the light of day if it wasn't for the first couple of high profile cases.
I haven't spent allot of time researching this topic though, but I just don't think that 1 man should be held responsible for the actions of others.
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:04 pm
Eltanin Sadachbia I don't think the Pope himself should stand trial. I think that the accused priests should all stand trial for sure though. The Pope wasn't even the Pope when this all went down. He should definitely have to give a testimony under oath to what the Catholic Institution covered up, but he himself should not be the one to face accusation. As for the cover-up, I think it was more on a regional level than anything. The churches themselves would try to hide it from those above them. I think the Bishops over the regions where the majority of the problems exists were the main culprits of the cover-up conspiracy. Many cases would never have even seen the light of day if it wasn't for the first couple of high profile cases. I haven't spent allot of time researching this topic though, but I just don't think that 1 man should be held responsible for the actions of others. The Pope today was one of the Cardinals during that time over one of the bishops who was accused of child molestation that apparently was attempted to be covered up. One who was accused of molesting 200 deaf boys according to the news article.
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:07 pm
DaikonNairu -Ren- I agree with you that the Pope should stand trial if for no other reason than to show that no man is above the law, not even a man of God. If he gets out of being put on trial due to his status it'll just undermine the system. I agree, he is not Christ, so he cannot be a judge unto himself. It would also be beneficial to see him showing concern over the issue and to be seen putting forth the effort to show there is no secret in the church. I feel he may lose many believers otherwise.
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:45 pm
DaikonNairu -Ren- I agree with you that the Pope should stand trial if for no other reason than to show that no man is above the law, not even a man of God. If he gets out of being put on trial due to his status it'll just undermine the system. This is a good point! They think they're untouchable, especially since they have the confessional in place.
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:09 pm
His followers are saying that the Pope is being controlled by Satan. =
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:22 pm
From what I've read the pope/cardinal didn't reply to the letter sent to him by the regional bishop, it was one of his underlings, who is now the secretary of state for the vatican city. Unless they can prove that pope read the letter(and thus was aware of the situation) they've not a leg to stand on...smart man that pope.
@ Captain_Shinzo - He is the one that's supposed to be the anti-christ isn't he? I love how he reminds me of emperor palpatine xd
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:26 pm
True. XD But in all seriousness, why is it a man can escape the law with a simple statement as that. I should rob a store and say a demon possessed me to do it. =
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:36 pm
ok. i don't think putting the pope on trial is going to work. you're asking one man to explain tons of people, many of whom he probably doesn't know personally, so how is he going to give any light on the situation? you couldn't certainly expect one person to vouch for a whole worldwide religion. go ahead and do so, but it won't really work.
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:37 pm
Captain_Shinzo His followers are saying that the Pope is being controlled by Satan. = That's bull. Isn't it true that Satan can't do anything without God's permission? (Is not Christian so does not know.) If the Pope is "being controlled by Satan" then its by God's own allowance. (This is, of course, following under the assumption that God and Satan even exist in the first place. )
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:38 pm
Catharia @ Captain_Shinzo - He is the one that's supposed to be the anti-christ isn't he? I love how he reminds me of emperor palpatine xd Have you seen the image that's floating around of the Pope saying "And now young Skywalker, you will die." ?
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:48 pm
DaikonNairu -Ren- Catharia @ Captain_Shinzo - He is the one that's supposed to be the anti-christ isn't he? I love how he reminds me of emperor palpatine xd Have you seen the image that's floating around of the Pope saying "And now young Skywalker, you will die." ? No, I've seen the one with the pope and the storm troopers behind him...must find that one now. Oh how I love the fact I'm not the only who thinks so. According to some of the things I've read we and God have planned everything out, and no one has free will. We do what we are meant to do and nothing more...the whole thing gives me the heebies. The last thing I need is me plotting my life for me before I live it, what do I know after all? @ Captain Shinzo - One would assume it's like the whole 'I'm a crazy' claim some people use to get off...one would assume Satan gets taken more seriously in the Vatican City though.
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:49 pm
SchizoSpazz ok. i don't think putting the pope on trial is going to work. you're asking one man to explain tons of people, many of whom he probably doesn't know personally, so how is he going to give any light on the situation? you couldn't certainly expect one person to vouch for a whole worldwide religion. go ahead and do so, but it won't really work. Unless he is also accused, which he is.
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:53 pm
It was on 4chan somewhere. I can't seem to to find it anymore or else I'd post it for you. In any case, I did manage to find this one:  But I don't like it as much because that was actually Vader's line, not Palpatine's. But what do I know. I'm just an original trilogy buff and no one cares for the original trilogy anymore... stare "Luke Skywalker? Who the hell is Luke Skywalker?" Stupid brats don't know their history... Back on topic: As I said in my response to Shinzo-kun's post: Doesn't it say somewhere in Christian dogma that Satan can't really do anything without God's permission? Doesn't that render anything that Satan does part of "God's Will"?
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