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 Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:56 pm
Has anyone else heard of "Hinjews?" (Hindu and Jewish, but I'm not sure how that works with the many gods and the monistic approach...)
And I've also heard that Buddhism and Judaism dovetail really well, because Buddhism is more about the nature of the universe and ethics and because Buddism does not establish any god to conflict with Judaism's whole 'No god but YHVH' thing.
I've even heard it said that, on some level at least, it is possible to practice Judaism and Buddhism simeltaneously without sacrificing one for the other.
Comments?
Discuss.
Oh, and my answer to the poll question is no.
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:02 pm
Depends. As a surface ideal, sure. Buddhism can hang with just about anyone - the basics of practice are pretty much just a 'be excellent to each other' kind of philosophy and some meditative practices, which a lot of faiths get along with. Once you get a bit deeper, it can get very messy though.
Can Judasim deal with the fact that Buddhism comes with a distinct no-soul doctrine, says that worship of any deity is not necessary because all deity is impermanent and stuck in the cycle of samsara with us, and lacks a universal creator?
Can Buddhism deal with a permanent construct of a self it doesn't think exists? A deity that is in command of everything in the universe? A creator that demands from his people worship in a certain ritualistic sense?
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:06 pm
Byaggha Depends. As a surface ideal, sure. Buddhism can hang with just about anyone - the basics of practice are pretty much just a 'be excellent to each other' kind of philosophy and some meditative practices, which a lot of faiths get along with. Once you get a bit deeper, it can get very messy though. Can Judasim deal with the fact that Buddhism comes with a distinct no-soul doctrine, says that worship of any deity is not necessary because all deity is impermanent and stuck in the cycle of samsara with us, and lacks a universal creator? Can Buddhism deal with a permanent construct of a self it doesn't think exists? A deity that is in command of everything in the universe? A creator that demands from his people worship in a certain ritualistic sense? Can the respective presences and absences just equalize? Or is that too easy?
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:11 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew Can the respective presences and absences just equalize? Or is that too easy? I'm not sure what you mean by 'just equalize' - not having a soul at all vs being given one by a creator who would like you to worship him are some interesting things to just have disappear. How does Judaism feel about the concept of rebirth and afterlives that are changeable/escapable? Is Judaism 'one shot at life, then eternal afterlife wherever you wind up' like Christianity?
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:15 pm
Byaggha Lumanny the Space Jew Can the respective presences and absences just equalize? Or is that too easy? I'm not sure what you mean by 'just equalize' - not having a soul at all vs being given one by a creator who would like you to worship him are some interesting things to just have disappear. How does Judaism feel about the concept of rebirth and afterlives that are changeable/escapable? Is Judaism 'one shot at life, then eternal afterlife wherever you wind up' like Christianity? That's also complicated. The Torah says nothing about what comes after death, so different Jews go in different directions with it. A lot of Jews believe in some form of reincarnation. Others believe in afterlife, with a Gan Eden-Gehenna- Sheol setup (similar to the Heaven-Purgatory-Hell system) or some variation thereof. EDIT: So, yeah, what I mean to say is that it depends on the Jew, but for a lot of Jews out there the Reincarnation thing would work out.
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:16 pm
I'm not sure about Buddhism and Judaism, but Polytheism mixing with Monotheism is...not very well thought out .____.
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:20 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew That's also complicated. The Torah says nothing about what comes after death, so different Jews go in different directions with it. A lot of Jews believe in some form of reincarnation. Others believe in afterlife, with a Gan Eden-Gehenna- Sheol setup (similar to the Heaven-Purgatory-Hell system) or some variation thereof. Our stick point there is probably going to be rebirth vs reincarnation then; one needs a soul, the other is just karmatic strings being passed along with no permanent self attached. That whole no soul thing really monkeywrenches several attempts at blending Buddhism wholly with other faiths, honestly. It and the 'no deity worth worship' deal sort of stop us, until we assimilate the deity as a Bodhisattva - and I don't think people would like YHVH brought down to that level. And it would be bringing YHVH down, as cool as Bodhisattvas are - He'd get demoted from almighty creator worthy of worship, only salvation to really nice guy who we aren't worshiping but rather thanking for hanging around and offering us a way out of the cycle of rebirth through his kindness. All the omnis would go from his profile - or most of them, at any rate. Most Bodhisattva/deity blendings get one or so, like the ability to hear anything anywhere, or see anything. But all of 'em? No.
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:22 pm
Call Me Apple I'm not sure about Buddhism and Judaism, but Polytheism mixing with Monotheism is...not very well thought out .____. I think the idea is that the Hindu Monistic point of view that all of their gods are parts of some bigger spirit fits into the Jewish Kaballistic point of view about different parts or aspects to one god. Which still seems to me like the type of thing that only looks good on paper, but whatever...
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:24 pm
Call Me Apple I'm not sure about Buddhism and Judaism, but Polytheism mixing with Monotheism is...not very well thought out .____. Monolateralism is one possible solution. It's belief in other gods but puts one god as only one worthy of worship. It avoids conflict with the First Commandment by not putting any other gods before him.
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:26 pm
Byaggha Lumanny the Space Jew That's also complicated. The Torah says nothing about what comes after death, so different Jews go in different directions with it. A lot of Jews believe in some form of reincarnation. Others believe in afterlife, with a Gan Eden-Gehenna- Sheol setup (similar to the Heaven-Purgatory-Hell system) or some variation thereof. Our stick point there is probably going to be rebirth vs reincarnation then; one needs a soul, the other is just karmatic strings being passed along with no permanent self attached. That whole no soul thing really monkeywrenches several attempts at blending Buddhism wholly with other faiths, honestly. It and the 'no deity worth worship' deal sort of stop us, until we assimilate the deity as a Bodhisattva - and I don't think people would like YHVH brought down to that level. And it would be bringing YHVH down, as cool as Bodhisattvas are - He'd get demoted from almighty creator worthy of worship, only salvation to really nice guy who we aren't worshiping but rather thanking for hanging around and offering us a way out of the cycle of rebirth through his kindness. All the omnis would go from his profile - or most of them, at any rate. Most Bodhisattva/deity blendings get one or so, like the ability to hear anything anywhere, or see anything. But all of 'em? No. So that's another 'no,' like mine. Albeit so freaking ridiculously more well- thought- out. Oh, and I wanted to mention that you remind me of Divash, our super-wise, super-well-read denmother at the Jewish Gaians Guild. Just the way you articulate your long, point-by-point ideas... It's meant to be a compliment. You two should get in touch.
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:27 pm
rmcdra Call Me Apple I'm not sure about Buddhism and Judaism, but Polytheism mixing with Monotheism is...not very well thought out .____. Monolateralism is one possible solution. It's belief in other gods but puts one god as only one worthy of worship. It avoids conflict with the First Commandment by not putting any other gods before him. I suppose that's one way to go, but I'm not feelin' it.
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:49 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew So that's another 'no,' like mine. Albeit so freaking ridiculously more well- thought- out. I've had a lot of time to consider questions like these, but yes, I'm on the no side - at least when it comes to a full on blending. Surface Buddhism and any other faith? Cool. But once you dive deeper into either faith, one is bound to take the fore and shove the other's ideals out. There is always the ever popular pick and mix rebuttal of things like this too - the statement from a sutra I cannot recall the name of right now (my head is a bit wonky, I passed out and thumped it on the floor earlier this evening and I'm having to force myself to articulate right now) wherein the Buddha says, effectively, once an idea has finished serving its purpose, discard it. Tied to the Kalama Sutra ('trust nothing unless you've tested it yourself', basically), they use it as a rationalization for tossing no-soul and other things that don't jive with their personal practice. I'm not a fan of that; throwing out the bulk of teachings because you think they're incorrect or they don't mesh well with other things you believe strikes me as dishonest. I have no problems with people using meditation techniques or the Eightfold Path as ways to direct their lives or help themselves, make no mistake, but I'm not a real fan of trying to shoehorn any two faiths together, to be honest. There are often major doctrinal issues that are unresolvable without serious damage to one set of source material or the other. Quote: Oh, and I wanted to mention that you remind me of Divash, our super-wise, super-well-read denmother at the Jewish Gaians Guild. Just the way you articulate your long, point-by-point ideas... It's meant to be a compliment. You two should get in touch. I'll take it as it was meant. Thank you. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:09 pm
Some forms Hindu believe that the gods are aspects of a greater God. I feel that the Brahman is that God, or their word for it, which is also YHWH, Allah and Aton.
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:06 pm
Bu-Jews, that's it. That's what they're called.
If that is you spell it. Bujews, maybe. BuJews?
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:15 pm
Hindus believe in multiple gods that are all part of a single god, or univeral creator type of thing, by the name of Brahman. I believe. Interestingly enough, in India, you weren't able to get the game Fallout 3, because of the Brahmin in the game, the mutated cows.
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