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 Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:28 am
 Break the Rules, stand apart ♥ ♠ ♣ ♦
At first glance, Wonderland seems to be nothing but a bit of nonsense thrown together by a deranged mind...
But if you look closely, there are a lot of real world problems, and symbols run amonk.
Name any you have noticed and what you think it means!
We'll make sense of Wonderland logic YET! XD
♠ ♣ ♥ ♦  Ignore your head,
Follow your Heart
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:54 am
Charles Dodgson (Lewis Carroll) wasn't dereanged, he had an imagination that was so unique that people always try to account it for something else. His books are very intelligently written.
But as for your question, I've heard some things in the books are political satire about the Wars of the Roses, but don't quote me on that.
Dodgson himself was involved in politics, apparently he wrote political pamphlets and letters to newspapers and magazines to promote fairness in political procedures.
Also in Through the Looking Glass, the flowers represent the different levels within the British social class.
I might try find some more later on. XD
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:27 pm
Charles Dodgson was actually a teacher for universtiy level physics. His intruige in parallel dimensions were furthered into these books in every way as they were a hot topic for his time. The rabbit hole was actually his depiction of a worm hole through which Alice would come all the way across it to the white hole of wonderland.
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:39 pm
I can understand where your coming from, but the first Wormhole theory was in 1921. So technically it couldn't of been that.
However that doesn't mean he didn't have the same idea that this was possible.
I actually think thats rather intriguing, a Wormhole exisiting within our own planet. Meaning Wonderland exists in another part of the Universe.
Then again the story was originally called 'Alice's Adventures Underground'.
It may not of been a Wormhole, but he most likely was depicting a gateway to another dimension, more of a vortex I guess.
Edit - Also a White Hole isn't anything to do with a Wormhole, it is the opposite of a Black Hole, which is very different to a Wormhole.
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:04 am
 ♠♠Sometimes Its to your advantage...
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Caterpillar, I meant nothing of the sort. I know Dodgson was brilliant. I was merely pointing out that when people first looked at the book they thought him quite mad.
His parallels in Wonderland for the problems faced while growing up alone is evidence enough that he was a genius.
*~*~*
...for people to think you're crazy♠♠
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:05 am
♠♠Sometimes Its to your advantage...
*~*~*
Something I enjoy about Wonderland is every situation Alice comes in contact with has a new and different set of rules, like a game, and very much like real life. You have to learn the rules in order to win.
The Caucus Race, The Chessboard, the Croquet Game, the Riddles, etc etc...
And then of course, realizing that there will always be the unfair tyrant over you ...and in order to outsmart them you must play by their rules.
*~*~*
...for people to think you're crazy♠♠
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:12 am
Yes I guessed that's what you meant, I was merely stating my opinions. Didn't mean it to come across like that.
And I agree with you on the rules, Wonderland does run on rules, but unlike our world it is more like a game. Alice had to learn how to play in both books, there is method to the madness of Wonderland.
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:28 pm
If you think about it, though, Life is like a game. The choices we make decide which paths we go on (like succeeding or failing school, moving us forward or back in Life, just as you move in chess [Looking-Glass]) and the players we associate ourselves with help us make those decision (like friends and their influences on us).
And how at the end of Looking-Glass, Alice blamed Kitty, the black kitten, for the dream, whereas Snowball, the white kitten, was deemed innocent. This is not unlike society's view of the colour black as cruelty and mischief and the colour white as innocence and purity.
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:58 pm
Azure Caterpillar I can understand where your coming from, but the first Wormhole theory was in 1921. So technically it couldn't of been that. However that doesn't mean he didn't have the same idea that this was possible. I actually think thats rather intriguing, a Wormhole exisiting within our own planet. Meaning Wonderland exists in another part of the Universe. Then again the story was originally called 'Alice's Adventures Underground'. It may not of been a Wormhole, but he most likely was depicting a gateway to another dimension, more of a vortex I guess. Edit - Also a White Hole isn't anything to do with a Wormhole, it is the opposite of a Black Hole, which is very different to a Wormhole. I don't think you understood what I had written. You see the theory of wormholes was a popular topic up until about the 1920's as documented by such sources as the books Physics 30 (a canadian school system textbook), and Hyperspace. The theory of wormholes depicts a black hole taking in matter at one end and a white hole at the other end emitting matter. He used the rabbit hole as a tear within the parallel dimensions which is also considered a long tunnel or hole. However I do admit that as I do not personally know Charles Dodgeson and his reasoning behind the rabbit hole that it could be any manner of parallel universe tears. Sorry if I sound snide or rude, I simply do not like to be corrected I agree, to have wonderland be so plausible under the parallel universe theory makes me thank-full that growing up has not left me alone with reality.
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:56 pm
That theory is only one of how a Wormhole works, but it really isn't plausable because a Wormhole created by a Black Hole and a White Hole would be unstable, and would disconnect. Also that theory was first published in 1935. I can't find a theory on Wormholes from the Victorian era (the term Wormhole wasn't even around back then), however maybe there was a similar theory to it? I would be interested in knowing.
A Black Hole is something that nothing can escape from, once crossing the Event Horizen any matter is crushed and becomes part of the Black Hole. It is created by the collapse of a star, meaning a Wormhole doesn't exist this way.
A White Hole is still a theory, I must admit I don't know too much about them, but one theory I have heard that connects them to Black Hole's, is that a Big Bang occurs at the core when a Black Hole forms, and the feeding of the Black Hole into the new Universe could be thought of as a White Hole.
This still isn't a Wormhole however.
If Wormhole's do exist, they allow one passage through spacetime, thus letting one travel to another part of the Universe. And in theory time travel would be possible. This to me at least, doesn't sound like a Black Hole.
But seriously, this is meant to be a discussion about Alice in Wonderland. Personally though I still think a dimensional vortex could be a likely explanation for the Rabbit Hole.
Now what about the Looking Glass?
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:16 pm
If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense.
Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't.
Can't think of one for Looking Glass atm, but I thought today when she's confused on who she must be, angling between herself, Maybel, and the other girls she knows, it resembles to me of when young adolescents are growing up and something have their 'identity crisis' trying to figure who they are and where they fit in in the world; I know Alice was quite too young in the book for this to be the case, but that piece in itself made itself known when I was thinking about the part in the movie where they were trying to figure out if she was the 'Right' or 'Wrong' Alice. Considering, I've never really seen her 'identity crisis' in any other adaptations but they used that in the recent movie and she's supposed to be about 19, it seemed fitting.
And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be.
And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?
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