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 Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:51 am
We're all accustomed now to song downloading being outlawed, and programs and websites being eliminated because of it, but now we soon may not be able to even get guitar tabs off the internet. The MPA (Music Publishers' Association) has claimed that free tablatures online are "completely illegal" and should be removed, and also the owners of the websites thrown in JAIL (yes, JAIL for hosting guitar tabs!) Here is the article. Personally I think this is completely bogus, as all tabs say, in plain black and white, that they are the author's own work, and that they should not be used for anything other than for the learning experience. And it's not like anyone that runs the sites gets any profit off the hosting of these tabs. Also, "throwing in some jail time"? They seem to think that jailing somebody is something that should be taken lightly, like its no big deal. I don't think we should waste tax payer money and jailspace on webmasters that host guitar tabs- completely LEGAL guitar tabs.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:55 am
And just when i was thinking, "what next, are they going to prosecute for just PLAYING the damn covers in bars, or in our own homes?", I find this little quote from an article: Quote: 3. Guitar shop in royalty row A music store in Macclesfield has been warned that it breaking the law by letting customers play well known tunes without a license. The Performing Rights Society [PRS] has threatened action against Jones Music. This is sickening.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 7:55 am
What the hell?
This makes nill sense. How in the world is anyone with a guitar going to learn how to play their favorite songs with you checking out the money to buy every song book, they would need?
And simple playing cover songs, or playing them in a music store?
Come on, why is this such a big deal now?
What real way does a person test a guitar's sound, and feel but by playing a band's song they tend to play frequently?
Ugh, this is jsut over the top, and I'm not sure what else to say.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:21 am
You can get sued for farting now if someone says your fart sounded like a copyrighted tune.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:31 am
man, zepplin is gonna make a fortune off of this. you know half the people in that store were playing "stairway"....
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 11:23 am
Quote: letting customers play well known tunes without a license. I can just imagine a letting-people-play-well-known-songs-in-public licence. xd
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 11:33 am
the thing is Ash that we live in a capitalist world, and well they want to get p[aid for the tabs, and in the internet artists arent paid...unlike in magazines... I honestly think its bullshit, learning through tabs is a great tool... anyways why do these artists ( the popular ones at least) b***h so much about it? the're rich, why do they need MORE money....its not like I trusts internet tabs too much anyways
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:12 pm
Xenin the thing is Ash that we live in a capitalist world, and well they want to get p[aid for the tabs, and in the internet artists arent paid...unlike in magazines... I honestly think its bullshit, learning through tabs is a great tool... anyways why do these artists ( the popular ones at least) b***h so much about it? the're rich, why do they need MORE money....its not like I trusts internet tabs too much anyways It isn't really about the artists. It's more about the publishers. The publishers are normal people. Imagine this scenario: You run a small guitar shop. (fits the guild theme) You are happy, selling a couple of guitars a day, making a steady monthly profit. Then one day a Guitar Center sets up just dwon the road, selling the same guitars you have, for cheaper, and almost completly putting you out of business. I assume you would want something done about that, correct?
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:18 pm
James Tanner Xenin the thing is Ash that we live in a capitalist world, and well they want to get p[aid for the tabs, and in the internet artists arent paid...unlike in magazines... I honestly think its bullshit, learning through tabs is a great tool... anyways why do these artists ( the popular ones at least) b***h so much about it? the're rich, why do they need MORE money....its not like I trusts internet tabs too much anyways It isn't really about the artists. It's more about the publishers. The publishers are normal people. Imagine this scenario: You run a small guitar shop. (fits the guild theme) You are happy, selling a couple of guitars a day, making a steady monthly profit. Then one day a Guitar Center sets up just dwon the road, selling the same guitars you have, for cheaper, and almost completly putting you out of business. I assume you would want something done about that, correct? The problem is a vast majority of tabs out there are for bands that don't HAVE tab books out. But putting the tab part aside, there is no possible justification for taking legal action against a store that allows people to play well-known tunes - in no way shape or form is anyoen making any profit off of it whatsoever, so there ARE no royalties to be had! Back on the subject of Tabs, i can understand removing those that are blatant copies the works of magazines and tab books (i've seen a few that are just scans), but for the most part, normal everyday people have put in the time and effort into figuring out these tabs and sharing their knowledge with other people, whether on the web or otherwise - again, nobody is making a profit. This is going along the same lines as back when they were trying to say you cant let a friend borrow a CD just to listen to it.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:32 pm
AshWufei James Tanner Xenin the thing is Ash that we live in a capitalist world, and well they want to get p[aid for the tabs, and in the internet artists arent paid...unlike in magazines... I honestly think its bullshit, learning through tabs is a great tool... anyways why do these artists ( the popular ones at least) b***h so much about it? the're rich, why do they need MORE money....its not like I trusts internet tabs too much anyways It isn't really about the artists. It's more about the publishers. The publishers are normal people. Imagine this scenario: You run a small guitar shop. (fits the guild theme) You are happy, selling a couple of guitars a day, making a steady monthly profit. Then one day a Guitar Center sets up just dwon the road, selling the same guitars you have, for cheaper, and almost completly putting you out of business. I assume you would want something done about that, correct? The problem is a vast majority of tabs out there are for bands that don't HAVE tab books out. But putting the tab part aside, there is no possible justification for taking legal action against a store that allows people to play well-known tunes - in no way shape or form is anyoen making any profit off of it whatsoever, so there ARE no royalties to be had! Back on the subject of Tabs, i can understand removing those that are blatant copies the works of magazines and tab books (i've seen a few that are just scans), but for the most part, normal everyday people have put in the time and effort into figuring out these tabs and sharing their knowledge with other people, whether on the web or otherwise - again, nobody is making a profit. This is going along the same lines as back when they were trying to say you cant let a friend borrow a CD just to listen to it. (Note: I'm not defending them in any way. I heart my tabs.) The thing is, playing a song that you do not have the rights to play (ie owning the tab book) is actually an infringment of copyright. Whether someone is making money off it or not, it still is breaking the law.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:40 pm
I find this highly sickening, and honestly, f---ing pathetic.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:13 pm
James Tanner AshWufei James Tanner Xenin the thing is Ash that we live in a capitalist world, and well they want to get p[aid for the tabs, and in the internet artists arent paid...unlike in magazines... I honestly think its bullshit, learning through tabs is a great tool... anyways why do these artists ( the popular ones at least) b***h so much about it? the're rich, why do they need MORE money....its not like I trusts internet tabs too much anyways It isn't really about the artists. It's more about the publishers. The publishers are normal people. Imagine this scenario: You run a small guitar shop. (fits the guild theme) You are happy, selling a couple of guitars a day, making a steady monthly profit. Then one day a Guitar Center sets up just dwon the road, selling the same guitars you have, for cheaper, and almost completly putting you out of business. I assume you would want something done about that, correct? The problem is a vast majority of tabs out there are for bands that don't HAVE tab books out. But putting the tab part aside, there is no possible justification for taking legal action against a store that allows people to play well-known tunes - in no way shape or form is anyoen making any profit off of it whatsoever, so there ARE no royalties to be had! Back on the subject of Tabs, i can understand removing those that are blatant copies the works of magazines and tab books (i've seen a few that are just scans), but for the most part, normal everyday people have put in the time and effort into figuring out these tabs and sharing their knowledge with other people, whether on the web or otherwise - again, nobody is making a profit. This is going along the same lines as back when they were trying to say you cant let a friend borrow a CD just to listen to it. (Note: I'm not defending them in any way. I heart my tabs.) The thing is, playing a song that you do not have the rights to play (ie owning the tab book) is actually an infringment of copyright. Whether someone is making money off it or not, it still is breaking the law. It would only be infringement if it somehow robs them of SOME SORT of profit - tabs DO pose a chance of this, as they take profits away from tab book makers and in turn the musicians themselves, but simply playing the music in a completely amateur invirontment (as in not even cover-band) like a guitar store or something similar, does not take profits away from anyone at all.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:22 pm
AshWufei James Tanner AshWufei James Tanner Xenin the thing is Ash that we live in a capitalist world, and well they want to get p[aid for the tabs, and in the internet artists arent paid...unlike in magazines... I honestly think its bullshit, learning through tabs is a great tool... anyways why do these artists ( the popular ones at least) b***h so much about it? the're rich, why do they need MORE money....its not like I trusts internet tabs too much anyways It isn't really about the artists. It's more about the publishers. The publishers are normal people. Imagine this scenario: You run a small guitar shop. (fits the guild theme) You are happy, selling a couple of guitars a day, making a steady monthly profit. Then one day a Guitar Center sets up just dwon the road, selling the same guitars you have, for cheaper, and almost completly putting you out of business. I assume you would want something done about that, correct? The problem is a vast majority of tabs out there are for bands that don't HAVE tab books out. But putting the tab part aside, there is no possible justification for taking legal action against a store that allows people to play well-known tunes - in no way shape or form is anyoen making any profit off of it whatsoever, so there ARE no royalties to be had! Back on the subject of Tabs, i can understand removing those that are blatant copies the works of magazines and tab books (i've seen a few that are just scans), but for the most part, normal everyday people have put in the time and effort into figuring out these tabs and sharing their knowledge with other people, whether on the web or otherwise - again, nobody is making a profit. This is going along the same lines as back when they were trying to say you cant let a friend borrow a CD just to listen to it. (Note: I'm not defending them in any way. I heart my tabs.) The thing is, playing a song that you do not have the rights to play (ie owning the tab book) is actually an infringment of copyright. Whether someone is making money off it or not, it still is breaking the law. It would only be infringement if it somehow robs them of SOME SORT of profit - tabs DO pose a chance of this, as they take profits away from tab book makers and in turn the musicians themselves, but simply playing the music in a completely amateur invirontment (as in not even cover-band) like a guitar store or something similar, does not take profits away from anyone at all. That isn't true. Copyright can still be infringed, even if no money is being made.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:54 pm
NNOOO! no! The cannot do this! It's complete bull! But no wonder I haven't been able to get on Mxtabs for a while... But dude, this is way beyond excusable, how can bands do this to their fellow bretherin? evil stressed scream mad
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 7:28 am
But wouldnt the tabs sites right now be under the Expostfacto? They already had those tabs up before the law/bill or what ever the ******** it is came to affecet... Wouldnt be the first time the Govenrment ******** the constitution...
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