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 Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:57 pm
do u guys consider clones fakes i mean there the same exact thing?
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:41 pm
They are fakes, but they are legal fakes (assuming the original isn't a hack).
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:44 pm
Sora-Cloud-Zero They are fakes, but they are legal fakes (assuming the original isn't a hack). So my understanding is that if you breed a Pokemon and get egg moves that you like and someone asks for it, you can keep it and then give the clone. So that is not illegal?
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:50 pm
I personally dont consider clones illegal, since I myself clone on my Emerald. It helps when transfering to Diamond because I dont want to loose that pokemon, and if I restart my Diamond then there is no way to retrieve it. Plus I make clones of the shinies I have so I wont loose them.
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:56 pm
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:41 pm
Dangerous Macadamia Sora-Cloud-Zero They are fakes, but they are legal fakes (assuming the original isn't a hack). So my understanding is that if you breed a Pokemon and get egg moves that you like and someone asks for it, you can keep it and then give the clone. So that is not illegal? I don't know if its illegal here (I'm pretty sure it isn't), but I would not consider it so, again, assuming the the original isn't a hack. Although not the original, it matches the original in every way, so the person receiving it isn't really losing anything by getting a clone as the stats, EV, IVs, OT, etc. all match the original.
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:49 pm
Cloning is all an opinion matter. Most people who collect events clone cause some are so rare and they want to keep them. You wouldn't know anyways a clone from an original. It IS the same thing, therefore I consider clones legal.
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:52 pm
Gaara the Protector Cloning is all an opinion matter. Most people who collect events clone cause some are so rare and they want to keep them. You wouldn't know anyways a clone from an original. It IS the same thing, therefore I consider clones legal. Can you clone in Platinum without using AR? I am just curious seeings as I have no AR that works and basically the only game I have is Platinum =P
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:53 pm
I don't consider cloning illegal. I do however have no respect for thous who clone unless its for testing move sets and what not. 
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:49 pm
Dangerous Macadamia Gaara the Protector Cloning is all an opinion matter. Most people who collect events clone cause some are so rare and they want to keep them. You wouldn't know anyways a clone from an original. It IS the same thing, therefore I consider clones legal. I am just curious seeings as I have no AR that works and basically the only game I have is Platinum =P No, game freak fixed the GTS cloning glitch so you can no longer clone pokemon in platinum without AR. That being said, I wouldn't consider cloning via AR illegal since its the same as cloning via the GTS glitch in D/P. And I don't see how cloning pokemon makes someone less respected. talk2hand
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:16 pm
Sora-Cloud-Zero Dangerous Macadamia Gaara the Protector Cloning is all an opinion matter. Most people who collect events clone cause some are so rare and they want to keep them. You wouldn't know anyways a clone from an original. It IS the same thing, therefore I consider clones legal. I am just curious seeings as I have no AR that works and basically the only game I have is Platinum =P No, game freak fixed the GTS cloning glitch so you can no longer clone pokemon in platinum without AR. That being said, I wouldn't consider cloning via AR illegal since its the same as cloning via the GTS glitch in D/P. And I don't see how cloning pokemon makes someone less respected. talk2hand Well,then ok. Thank you for telling me lol I was just wondering
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:19 pm
Dangerous Macadamia Sora-Cloud-Zero Dangerous Macadamia Gaara the Protector Cloning is all an opinion matter. Most people who collect events clone cause some are so rare and they want to keep them. You wouldn't know anyways a clone from an original. It IS the same thing, therefore I consider clones legal. I am just curious seeings as I have no AR that works and basically the only game I have is Platinum =P No, game freak fixed the GTS cloning glitch so you can no longer clone pokemon in platinum without AR. That being said, I wouldn't consider cloning via AR illegal since its the same as cloning via the GTS glitch in D/P. And I don't see how cloning pokemon makes someone less respected. talk2hand Well,then ok. Thank you for telling me lol I was just wondering Though, for some reason, they replaced that glitch with another: you can't exactly see what pokemon a person is requesting in the GT. You can't see what level they want nor what gender.
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:23 pm
Regardless of what anyone says, cloning is an exploit that the gamemakers didn't intend to be part of the game, hence considered being hacked and considered illegal. Just because its harder to tell if the poke in question is hacked doesn't change the fact that someone gained an additional pokemon through legitimate means.
The reason why I don't trade with those that clone is because I feel cheated when trading others. The time invested on my part to either breed or catch that poke far different then those who abuse that exploit. The time exchanged doesn't seem right. Not to mention, if a person plans to abuse one exploit, who is to say they won't take it a step further use
another one, along the justifying their usage.
I understand the notion of not wanting to part with event pokemon, especially being rare and all, but if the community is going to be flooded with more pokemon, doesn't that make them less rare and special?
As far as I know, our guild's stance is that cloning is still considered hacking. As long as person admits to doing as such as well as doesn't use hacked or exploited pokemon, they are still welcome to compete in our guild hosted events.
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:53 pm
Cormini Regardless of what anyone says, cloning is an exploit that the gamemakers didn't intend to be part of the game, hence considered being hacked and considered illegal. Just because its harder to tell if the poke in question is hacked doesn't change the fact that someone gained an additional pokemon through legitimate means.The reason why I don't trade with those that clone is because I feel cheated when trading others. The time invested on my part to either breed or catch that poke far different then those who abuse that exploit. The time exchanged doesn't seem right. Not to mention, if a person plans to abuse one exploit, who is to say they won't take it a step further use
another one, along the justifying their usage.
I understand the notion of not wanting to part with event pokemon, especially being rare and all, but if the community is going to be flooded with more pokemon, doesn't that make them less rare and special? As far as I know, our guild's stance is that cloning is still considered hacking. As long as person admits to doing as such as well as doesn't use hacked or exploited pokemon, they are still welcome to compete in our guild hosted events. 1. If exploiting the glitch counts as "legitimate means", why is it illegal? (Unless, you meant to say "ILLEGITIMATE") 2. Hacking and exploiting a glitch are two different things (at least, I consider it so). With the former, you're directly changing the game's code. With the latter, you're exploiting a bug/glitch found in the game. 3. Even if you traded originals, the time exchange may still not match up. Someone may have a really good pokemon that didn't take as long to acquire as it took you to acquire yours. 4. Self restraint can keep one from "going one step further". I know one guy who breeds legitimate pokemon and trades off clones of them. That's it. No hacked stats, OT, moves, nothing. He just clones the pokemon he breeds.
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:11 pm
I say if you ever trade clones you let them know. Bottom line.
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