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 Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:41 pm
READ THIS BEFORE POSTING
Title from Gameinformer
"Controvery surrounding violence and "adult" content in games is certainly nothing new, but in 2005 these issues seemed to be coming to the forefront like never before, mostly thanks to a scandal surrounding Rockstar's infamous and highly successful Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. As the year began, who knew that the words "Hot Coffee" would take on such a salacious new meaning?" - GameInformer
The "Hot Coffee" ordeal with San Andreas is all a big mistake. Or is it?
Read the following:
"The trouble started in June, when the PC version of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas was released. Soon, pictures of the games engaging in several explicit sexual acts started circulating the internet. Making what would later prove to be a crucial error, publisher Rockstar Games claimed that the scenes were not a part of the game, rather a result of a user-created mod. "In violation of the software user agreement, hackers created the 'Hot Coffee' modification by disassembling and then combining, recompiling, and altering the game's source code," read a statement released by the company at the time.
Unfortunately for Rockstar, Hot Coffee cheat codes {which work with the easily available Action Replay Max device} soon began to appear on several popular gaming blogs and cheat code sites. Although difficult and time-comsuming, several news sites tested the PS2 compatible codes and it became clear that Hot Coffee did, in fact, exist somewhere in the game's original code, since suers cannot modify console games. This directly contradicted Rockstar's previous statement on the issue. Apparently, the truth was that the content had been created by developer Rockstar North, but later pulled from the game. Unfortunately, the actual code remained in the game as an artifact of the development process, allowing it to eventually be accessed through cheat codes. The Entertainment Software Ratings Board, which oversees the content of all video games, acted swiftly, looking to make an example of Rockstar. All existing copies of San Andreas were reclassified as Adults Only and, as such, pulled from most major retailers. Rockstar was forced to take back all current retail copies, recompile a version of the game that didn't include the Hot Coffee scene, and restock stores with new, Mature-rated discs. All told, it's estimated that the scandal cost the company between 20 and 40 million dollars in publishing costs and lost sales." - an excerpt of the 'Hot Coffee Burns the Industry' article in GameInformer
Was it really Rockstar's intention? I'd like to hear your thoughts on the matter.
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:44 pm
I personally think that in some ways, it was their fault for putting it in, but it wasn't since they pulled it out.
I'm just a little confused about it all, so I'd like other peoples' opinions.
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:01 pm
i believe a scandal sells a product. Everytime a musician gets arrested or something of that nature their product sales skyrocket. So maybe it was their intention but then i ask myself "wasn't Rockstar really successful befor 'Hot Coffe'?" and i think they were. So i'm a bit yes and no on the subject.
Oh and wasn't the game for 17+ anyway? *shrug* whatever man, i have my copy of the pc and ps2 version so HA! silly video game bashers blaugh
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 5:28 pm
What i find really funny about all this is that the ONLY way you could get to that part of the game is to know how to hack and so forth or download it. The little kidies that shouldnt be playing the game any ways would have had NO way of getting to that part w/o first getting online. Im sorry but if your a parent and you cant watch what you under 17 year old child is doing with a game they shouldnt have any ways then you shouldnt have children. The game was rated M for Mature 17+. Their are many worse games that have sex in them like i will assume Playboy the Mansion probably does. Its rated mature. Also another one the guy game. It doesnt have sex in it but it is a game about girls showing their boobs. I mean comon cant ya tell that a game rated M is gonna have this kinda stuff in it. Their all just a bunch of ******** tards is all. Trying to find a way to ******** with gamers because they think games cause violence.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 5:39 pm
Well since they tried to get the cheat code out of the game, it isn't entirely their fault.
I don't have anything against Grand Theft, but there are some people who just seemed to obessed over the games. For example, a teenager came into a police office one day and started firing everywhere, injuring an officer. After searching the teenager's home, they found that he had played Grand Theft for HOURS at a time. I'm not saying that Grand Theft wanted the kid to do that, but I don't think it did any good for him either.
Also, I bought a used PS2 memory card. It was a decent card, and had plenty of room for a lot of games. But when I looked in it, the only game saved on it was Grand Theft: San Andres. It kind of creeped me out.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 7:21 pm
Nightgina Well since they tried to get the cheat code out of the game, it isn't entirely their fault. I don't have anything against Grand Theft, but there are some people who just seemed to obessed over the games. For example, a teenager came into a police office one day and started firing everywhere, injuring an officer. After searching the teenager's home, they found that he had played Grand Theft for HOURS at a time. I'm not saying that Grand Theft wanted the kid to do that, but I don't think it did any good for him either. Also, I bought a used PS2 memory card. It was a decent card, and had plenty of room for a lot of games. But when I looked in it, the only game saved on it was Grand Theft: San Andres. It kind of creeped me out. Yes but im sure that that person was under 17 right? Well then its the parents fault cause they let them play these games. THe game says 17+ not 10+. If it was the game that indused the person to do these things then that person probably had a history of violence or a mental problem.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:20 pm
I think its just a case of Rockstar being lazy. They probably saw no reason to waste time and possibly money removing content that couldn't be easily accessed by the average player. And since they're a company that pretty much thrives on controversy, they probably figured that if someone did happen to access the content that it wouldn't hurt them too much.
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:46 pm
Alcaric READ THIS BEFORE POSTING
Title from Gameinformer
"Controvery surrounding violence and "adult" content in games is certainly nothing new, but in 2005 these issues seemed to be coming to the forefront like never before, mostly thanks to a scandal surrounding Rockstar's infamous and highly successful Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. As the year began, who knew that the words "Hot Coffee" would take on such a salacious new meaning?" - GameInformer
The "Hot Coffee" ordeal with San Andreas is all a big mistake. Or is it?
Read the following:
"The trouble started in June, when the PC version of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas was released. Soon, pictures of the games engaging in several explicit sexual acts started circulating the internet. Making what would later prove to be a crucial error, publisher Rockstar Games claimed that the scenes were not a part of the game, rather a result of a user-created mod. "In violation of the software user agreement, hackers created the 'Hot Coffee' modification by disassembling and then combining, recompiling, and altering the game's source code," read a statement released by the company at the time.
Unfortunately for Rockstar, Hot Coffee cheat codes {which work with the easily available Action Replay Max device} soon began to appear on several popular gaming blogs and cheat code sites. Although difficult and time-comsuming, several news sites tested the PS2 compatible codes and it became clear that Hot Coffee did, in fact, exist somewhere in the game's original code, since suers cannot modify console games. This directly contradicted Rockstar's previous statement on the issue. Apparently, the truth was that the content had been created by developer Rockstar North, but later pulled from the game. Unfortunately, the actual code remained in the game as an artifact of the development process, allowing it to eventually be accessed through cheat codes. The Entertainment Software Ratings Board, which oversees the content of all video games, acted swiftly, looking to make an example of Rockstar. All existing copies of San Andreas were reclassified as Adults Only and, as such, pulled from most major retailers. Rockstar was forced to take back all current retail copies, recompile a version of the game that didn't include the Hot Coffee scene, and restock stores with new, Mature-rated discs. All told, it's estimated that the scandal cost the company between 20 and 40 million dollars in publishing costs and lost sales." - an excerpt of the 'Hot Coffee Burns the Industry' article in GameInformer
Was it really Rockstar's intention? I'd like to hear your thoughts on the matter.
LMAO!!!! rofl Oh man! That's hilarious! I don't know what his intention was, nor do I care, but that was good for a laugh! They should've realized that it would leave an imprint in the processing code-a-ma-doohikie-thinga-ma-bob! mrgreen
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:16 pm
How in the WORLD was that funny? I just don't understand.
And actually, the game was supposed to be rated AO since it had that kind of content in it. Cheatcodes or not, it was there.
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:16 pm
Alcaric How in the WORLD was that funny? I just don't understand. And actually, the game was supposed to be rated AO since it had that kind of content in it. Cheatcodes or not, it was there. Then tell me this. WHY the ******** would Playboy: The Mansion, The Guy Game, and Leisure Suit Larry: Magna c** Laude be rated M for Mature. Playboy is game where it is based on SEX. Leisure Suit Larry: Magna c** Laude is a game based on SEX. So why should a game that has a hard to get to cheat code that aloows for a sex mini game that has doll like bodies be rated anything but M. Is it maybe because the game contains violence to and who is mainly against Video game violene. JACK THOMPSON. He didnt want any of those games out so he pushed the matter and forced the Ratings board to change its rating on GTA becuase the rating board didnt want to look like a fool. He found an opening where the public agreed with what they saw and thought nothing else of it and he pushed the matter. By saying you support the change in the games rating you are supporting Jack Thompson. Im sorry but that man knows nothing of the gaming community. If i may quote Cntl+Alt+Del Quote: "Ignorance causes violence, not video games." Im sorry but GTA, Playboy the mansion, The Guy Game, and Leisure Suit Larry: Magna c** Laude should ALL be M for Mature because older then 17 should be able to have those. Someone older then 17 is mature enough to play those games.
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:26 am
It reminds me of Microsoft's defense:
"We're not disabling other browsers! Really! Because IE is such an integral part of the software!"
Yeah, right.
They put it in, changed their mind, and were too deadline-conscious to delay the game's release and strip out the code entirely.
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:35 pm
It's all just a good laugh for me. Everybody gets screwed over! wink
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Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 2:04 pm
Sannin-Iokoa Im sorry but GTA, Playboy the mansion, The Guy Game, and Leisure Suit Larry: Magna c** Laude should ALL be M for Mature because older then 17 should be able to have those. Someone older then 17 is mature enough to play those games. wow long quote lol... okies as I've never played the guy game but I ahe played the other two or ratehr watched them being played and lsot interest. Leisure suit larry: is a cartoonish game they over look it because of it's bugs bunny vaule but I do agree with you the amount of sexual content in this game should have it a M rating Playboy: the mansion is jsut anotehr version ofhte Sims BOOOOORRRRING if I wanted to play sims with nakid girls in them I'd play ht orginal and download the hack that removes there closths. The point of this is that rockstar IS at fault but not for the whole hot coffe incident but rather for underestimating the power of a hacker. Just like Half life 2 was hacked with in a few weeks of it's release a hack sent a torjen viruse to one of hte main editors of the game and got the ENTIRE SOURCE code forthe game and promptly started distributeing the game every where they even went so far as to compile the game and put it up for download sad really. if they knew of the code what the code was capable of they should have removed it from day one not just lead a few dead lines and leave a ghost of it, hackers have a way of making ghosts come back to life and then giving it to the general public that's when people like Jack Thompson can use every dirty trick in teh book to make us gamers and the gaming industry look bad.
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Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 3:24 pm
Kelmur Sannin-Iokoa Im sorry but GTA, Playboy the mansion, The Guy Game, and Leisure Suit Larry: Magna c** Laude should ALL be M for Mature because older then 17 should be able to have those. Someone older then 17 is mature enough to play those games. wow long quote lol... okies as I've never played the guy game but I ahe played the other two or ratehr watched them being played and lsot interest. Leisure suit larry: is a cartoonish game they over look it because of it's bugs bunny vaule but I do agree with you the amount of sexual content in this game should have it a M rating Playboy: the mansion is jsut anotehr version ofhte Sims BOOOOORRRRING if I wanted to play sims with nakid girls in them I'd play ht orginal and download the hack that removes there closths. The point of this is that rockstar IS at fault but not for the whole hot coffe incident but rather for underestimating the power of a hacker. Just like Half life 2 was hacked with in a few weeks of it's release a hack sent a torjen viruse to one of hte main editors of the game and got the ENTIRE SOURCE code forthe game and promptly started distributeing the game every where they even went so far as to compile the game and put it up for download sad really. if they knew of the code what the code was capable of they should have removed it from day one not just lead a few dead lines and leave a ghost of it, hackers have a way of making ghosts come back to life and then giving it to the general public that's when people like Jack Thompson can use every dirty trick in teh book to make us gamers and the gaming industry look bad. Yea, I agree, they should havedone something about it sooner since they knew about it...But you have to admit its prite funny LOL!
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Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 7:56 pm
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