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Lebia

Partying Rogue

PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:50 pm


Something that grinded on my nerves for a long time is when people describe their characters hair or eye color they would use odd things like gemstones, metals, fruit, foliage, and other non hair or eye colored objects to define their appearances.

Hair


First lets have a look at Human hair color It is divided into simple categories

Auburn
Black
Blond
Brown
Red
Gray
White

Now the last two shouldn't come up too often unless your characters are middle aged or old. Honestly I don't see a lot of elderly people in RPs. The ones with ages that would put them in that range are either not human, undead, or immortal.

Anyhow these are simple color descriptions. One word and easy to spell. If you're looking for something to jazz those simple colors up, try describing the shine, hair texture, and hair style. Is your character's hair nice and glossy? Is it faded? Is it braided? Is it in a bun? Is it a bob cut, bowl cut, slicked back, buzz cut, crew cut? How do they keep their hair styled? and how long is it? Most people's hair goes to the middle of their back at the longer ranges. Knee length or ankle length is unheard of or extremely rare.

Now there are sub categories for hair color you should take note of as well. At least where there are proper names you can use a metal to describe the hair color:

Blond
Flaxen - Light but not whitish blond without traces of other colors
Yellow Blond - That cartoony yellow died hair
Platinum Blond - When natural, this color is almost exclusively found in children and albino people. The hair still blond but closer to white in color
Sandy Blond - Has some grayish hazel coloring to it
Strawberry Blond (Venetian) - Light reddish blond
Dirty Blond - similar to sandy blond, has strips of brown mixed in. This occurs naturally
Ash Blond - getting older, has a pale or grayish tinge to it
Dark Blond - darkest part of the blond spectrum, a shy away from light brown
Bleached Blond - that artificial light blond color that's a bit less white then platinum blond

Brown
Light brown - a light colored brown
Chestnut brown - Dark brown with a visible wine auburn highlight
Light chestnut brown - Medium to dark brown with very subtle chestnut tones
Dark Brown - fairly deep in tone and sometimes difficult to distinguish from black
Deepest brown - The darkest brown, appears to be off black at a distance

Auburn
Often mistaken for red or brown, auburn is a mix of both. It's more of a rust color.
Vivid Auburn - a color dye that makes for a brighter rust colored hair.

Red
Red hair ranges from a light red-orange to just before auburn.

Black
Black hair has a narrow range from a softer black to a dark inky color.

Gray and White
Sometimes you have a few gray hairs mixed in with the color, other times it all grays out. At a certain age, hair roots begin to lose melanin and hair will continue to grow without it.

Anyway, there's plenty of color description above. It isn't hard to find the right color to describe a character's hair. Using natural hair descriptions can be good not only for your character's development but it can have an impact on how other characters perceive them. Mary Sues aren't particularly well received. Gem/precious metal hair descriptions right off the bat are a red flag.

This may sound goofy, but if you want your hair to attract special attention, take care of it, play with it, enjoy it. Love your hair, don't just let it fall flat. Regardless of color it'll never get the attention you want if it's just a colored mop on your head. If you can toss it, comb it, and let it catch wind, it'll get you some attention.

Eyes


Eye color seems to get butchered just as much as hair color. Gemstones, precious metals, and other non-eye related objects get attributed to eyes. Here are the most common Human eye colors:

Amber - these eyes seem brown but contain a yellowish or coppery tint to them.
Blue - these eyes have a light blue color due to low amounts of melanin
Brown - the most dominant eye color in humans, brown eyes have a slight variation into light and dark
Gray - Though they have less melanin than blue eyes they appear darker and well gray
Green - green eyes are usually an olive color.
Hazel - hazel eyes appear light brown and can appear to shift to a brown green color.

This might seem like a limited spectrum, but the iris is made in varying fashions to be more speckled or reflective. The eye dilates differently from person to person, and the shape of the eyelids plays a major factor to how the eyes actually look. I think it's easier to describe how the eyes are shaped rather than just going based upon color. Is your characters eyes round? are they narrow and oval shaped? do they open wide and show a lot of white, to they open narrowly? Does the iris take up a lot of the visible eye? At the least remember that those eyes are part of a face. You can't really stick "pretty" eyes into a butt ugly face and have them still be regarded as such.

Skin


Lucky for us, a man named Felix Von Luschan created a chromatic scale for us regarding human skin.
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type I: von Luschan 1-5 (very light).
type II: von Luschan 6-10 (light). Average Caucasian
type III: von Luschan 11-15 (intermediate). Dark Caucasian
type IV: von Luschan 16-21 ("Mediterranean").
type V: von Luschan 22-28 (dark or "brown").
type VI: von Luschan 29-36 (very dark or "black").
(No, these color types weren't devised by race or something discriminatory like that. They were categorized in order of sun tan/burn risk.)

Now you don't have to quote a von Luschan scale number or type to describe your character, but at least use a reasonable color to describe them.

Talk about texture too. Is their skin smooth and supple, is it bumpy and coarse, is it scaly, is it dry, is it covered in hair? Does this character have cellulite? acne? warts? eczema? vitiligo? Is their skin clear and uniform? do they have freckles all over? Try these descriptions first. Please, don't use "perfect" as a description, for ANYTHING! Perfect is quite possibly the most vague term you can use to describe anything.

Unnatural or supernatural coloring


It's not illegal or wrong to have unnatural colors for characters eye and hair color but remember we do have a color wheel.

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Remember our old super friends the primary colors? Remember their satellite allies, the secondary colors? At least try them before using gemstones and/or precious metals to describe colors. After all, our friends on the color wheel were used to describe the colors of those gemstones and precious metals first.

For example, if your character's eyes are an unnatural primary red, you don't have to say they're ruby red. It isn't helping at all. Rubies aren't any redder than primary red, tomatoes, or the red on a coca-cola can. (Actually Rubies can be fairly dark in color so they might be "Less red".) Instead try letting the color describe itself and use how your characters eyes react in light. are they glassy and dull red? Does the red fade in obstructed sunlight? Do they sparkle like water in the afternoon sun? Are they slightly luminescent even in darkness?

Another example, or rant if you will, please please PLEASE DO NOT use Diamond as a color! The purest diamonds don't have a color to them! The least pure diamonds have a yellowish tinge to them. DO YOU WANT YOUR CHARACTER TO HAVE YELLOWISH TINGE CLEAR EYES WITH NOTHING BEHIND THEM?!

What I'm asking again is don't describe a description. Colors are descriptions. Unless there's true variation in the color and it doesn't have an actual name to the color, then you can describe the changes in color or relate it to an object, A MUNDANE OBJECT! Most people don't have precious gems and metals on hand to inspect and relate the colors. Those who do, can get by on the simple one word color. If you're having trouble, try getting out the crayons or colored pencils. Mix the colors and describe it using the colors you mixed.

Non human character example traits.


Orc

Well from contemporary games and story telling orcs tend to be shades of yellow green to olive green, to in some cases brown. If you've played with colors before you can mix some green and brown and get your desired Orc color. Same seems to go for Goblins and Ogres. Their hair, usually ratty, unkempt and black. Sometimes their hair is brown, auburn, or naturally gray.

Elf

Well, there's lots of kinds of elves. Brownies, (Keebler elves...), High Elves (most common), Dark elves, Drow, Elves usually are described with long straight hair, pointy ears, soft blemish-less skin, and attractive facial features. I'm being general cause those creepy D&D guys don't know what to jerk off to first... Ok that was a vicious rant but I'll get to that later. I'm sorry.

Completing the face


Well since people look to your head Usually (Ok, Ok! I'm sorry!) to define how your character looks, you should at least work on individualizing that as much as possible. Don't just jumble what features they have, find a starting point and flow across the face. Try starting with the hair and working down to the eyes, nose, ears, and chin. Or start with the eyes and work your way out to the nose, ears, chin, then hair. Don't forget the skin color and texture.

In character profile the features generally required are those of the face and hair. If you're writing, it's okay to describe body type and height first if that's what another character sees as they approach, but please unless this is from the point of view of a very rich character who ogles his or her jewelry frequently, please please PLEASE stay away from precious metals and gemstones as color descriptions.

And please remember this: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It's only up to you to convey how beautiful you see your character. Whether or not you can portray this effectively, if another character or player sees them as unattractive, don't take it personally. If your character is supposed to be stunningly gorgeous don't just say it. Let their features paint that picture. If they're supposed to be horridly ugly use descriptive features that make them look horridly ugly. Don't use direct descriptions like beautiful or ugly unless it's internal dialogue and the character views himself or herself that way.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:11 pm


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Lebia

Partying Rogue


Lebia

Partying Rogue

PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:11 pm


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:03 pm


Awesome!

Could you explain how the skin color chart works? The regular Caucasian colors look grey tinted, or dead-ish.

LillianSaire
Captain


Lebia

Partying Rogue

PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:35 pm


Well, Luschan held up opaque glass tiles up to patches of skin on people that weren't exposed to the sun. It wasn't a very efficient system. Different researchers would get different results on the same person. To be honest, on the chart 1 and 3-11 look blank to me.

Anyway the types I - VI were developed with Spectrophotometry.

I'll just use the photo of the real one. Computer pixels get confusing.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:16 pm


So, why is it so unacceptable to use objects out of the realm of hair texture/shape/size/whatever to describe your character's appearance? :/
You relate objects that people know so that they can easily imagine your character. Or else...I could get away with this:

"The blond girl with the blond hair waved her blond hair around in a blond arc of FLAXEN blond. I cannot use any other adjective to describe how blond the blond hair of the blond girl is. Blond. Blond. It's very blond, the blond girl has very blond hair."

Veste


Rabscuttle

PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:25 pm


Yeah, I have to agree with Veste.

You're suggesting that as opposed to using imagery or comparisons, writers should just flatly state the color of hair/eyes.

If that's the case we disagree, because to me this sentence:

The girl had long black hair and blue eyes.

Is less appealing than this one:

The girl had long, onyx black hair and ocean blue eyes.

Granted, over describing gets irritating, but when you do describe your character's appearance, you should be as specific and creative as you can be, including using references to objects that people recognize, like gemstones or other "non-hair" objects. Because really, you can't describe something well if you can only describe it using itself. [Describing eyes with eye-relayed descriptors, for instance.]

Also, just to illustrate the difficulty of avoiding these references (which are nearly automatic due to their successfulness) you even used a metal to describe an eye color in your own guide:

Quote:

Amber - these eyes seem brown but contain a yellowish or coppery tint to them.


I just thought I'd make some suggestions for your guide, and also provide other users with an alternative perspective. As a veteran role-play, I can't help but disagree with you on this.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:37 am


Veste
So, why is it so unacceptable to use objects out of the realm of hair texture/shape/size/whatever to describe your character's appearance? :/
You relate objects that people know so that they can easily imagine your character. Or else...I could get away with this:

"The blond girl with the blond hair waved her blond hair around in a blond arc of FLAXEN blond. I cannot use any other adjective to describe how blond the blond hair of the blond girl is. Blond. Blond. It's very blond, the blond girl has very blond hair."
You're missing the point. To be quite frank, if you have to describe the same thing that many times in a clause you don't know how to write. I never said anything about not using adjectives, just for once identify texture, maybe if you're waving your hair around note the change in color as the light hits it where it's thin. Possibly add the pattern in which it swishes, use your head.

Seriously? what kind of example is that. You could just slap in Silver instead of blond and get the same irritating result. (I'm assuming that was the point.)

Rabscuttle
Yeah, I have to agree with Veste.

You're suggesting that as opposed to using imagery or comparisons, writers should just flatly state the color of hair/eyes.

If that's the case we disagree, because to me this sentence:

The girl had long black hair and blue eyes.

Is less appealing than this one:

The girl had long, onyx black hair and ocean blue eyes.

Granted, over describing gets irritating, but when you do describe your character's appearance, you should be as specific and creative as you can be, including using references to objects that people recognize, like gemstones or other "non-hair" objects. Because really, you can't describe something well if you can only describe it using itself. [Describing eyes with eye-relayed descriptors, for instance.]

Also, just to illustrate the difficulty of avoiding these references (which are nearly automatic due to their successfulness) you even used a metal to describe an eye color in your own guide:

Quote:

Amber - these eyes seem brown but contain a yellowish or coppery tint to them.


I just thought I'd make some suggestions for your guide, and also provide other users with an alternative perspective. As a veteran role-play, I can't help but disagree with you on this.


I think both of you missed the point. Not once did I say to avoid imagery. All those little questions in between in the paragraphs were asking for nothing but imagery.

So do you have an onyx on hand to use as an example of black? I have several pieces of obsidian that make a better comparison. Not everybody gets the same color of of blue when you think ocean. The beach here off the coast of Cali is actually a diarrhea brown green. The water out in Oahu was almost clear, out toward the horizon it was mostly similar to the color of the sky.

I mean what? you can't say opaque or possibly glossy black? It HAS to be Onyx? What about its luster? What about the style?

Try this:

"The girl had long glossy black locks coiled in a tight bun and suspended with scarlet lacquered chopsticks. Her round welcoming eyes were a shade of cyan not far from turquoise."

Look at that. Plenty of description and no focus on color.

Also a note, I'm sorry: Copper also came up as "A metallic reddish brown" in the dictionary. Should I just change that part to say "A metallic reddish brown"?

Lebia

Partying Rogue


Veste

PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:21 am


First of all, before we start into this, check your attitude, Lebia.

The entire idea behind using items that are out of the range of "omygawdappearence!" is to allow someone to visually identify your character further. It's all good to use texture, to use "swishes," and I applaud you for it. I do it myself, but you shouldn't simply limit yourself to one certain area. As a writer, or someone who calls themselves such, you should use a broad spectrum of objects, textures, sights, smells, etc to describe what you're seeing. It seems a little pretentious to slap someone on the wrist and say "no, no, you're not allowed to use that, it makes you a bad writer!"

Granted, if this was a guide about how not to use asterisks to show action, I'd be on your boat, sister, waving the friggin' flag.

Quote:
"The girl had long glossy black locks coiled in a tight bun and suspended with scarlet lacquered chopsticks. Her round welcoming eyes were a shade of cyan not far from turquoise." Look at that. Plenty of description and no focus on color.


Cyan is a color.
Turquoise is a color.
Black is a shade, technically, but many people identify it as a color.

I appreciate the guide. For a lot of people in this guild, who are new to roleplaying, I can see the value in this. However, I don't know if it's just me, but your way of writing sound pretentious. Especially because you began your guide by saying: "This is my pet peeve."
I myself wrote a guide a while ago, and I stated that "I don't like this, but here are the reasons for using it." While I'm not telling you to follow my example because "oh lordy, I'm amazing" it would be nice to give some alternatives. Like you did using Rabscuttle's example. Instead of presenting this whole thing as an ultimatum, as opposed to an example.

Quote:
So do you have an onyx on hand to use as an example of black? I have several pieces of obsidian that make a better comparison. Not everybody gets the same color of of blue when you think ocean. The beach here off the coast of Cali is actually a diarrhea brown green. The water out in Oahu was almost clear, out toward the horizon it was mostly similar to the color of the sky.


True, but you're also drawing from everyone's basic knowledge of the world around them. When you think ocean, what do you immediately think? Blue, or Green. Adding a group of other adjectives, as you've stated before, helps to focus on that imagery. If you further explain (in some other posts, or another moment) that her eyes are "light" or "dark" then we can figure out exactly what strain of the ocean said eyeballs are coming from, right? It's as simple as that.

Nobody ever stated that it HAS to be Onyx or it HAS to be Ocean Blue.
Well, for one, the second one ISN'T a type of gemstone, but I digress.
But simply because YOU don't like it when people use that manner of descriptive language, does not, in any manner, make it wrong. It all mostly stems from the idea that the sort of feeling I'm getting from your guide is that it's all very pretentious. Something of: "You can't do this, because I don't like it, and if I don't like it, it means it sucks."

AND YES:
Veste
"The blond girl with the blond hair waved her blond hair around in a blond arc of FLAXEN blond. I cannot use any other adjective to describe how blond the blond hair of the blond girl is. Blond. Blond. It's very blond, the blond girl has very blond hair."


That was me being irritating.
Blond just happened to be the first on your list.

You make very valid points, yes.
But It would be nice if you could use some examples (like you showed Rabscuttle) for the alternatives to that language you hate so much, as opposed to simply writing it off as the evil that ends all evils.

And my grammatical errors come with the package. 8[
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:16 pm


Lebia

I think both of you missed the point. Not once did I say to avoid imagery. All those little questions in between in the paragraphs were asking for nothing but imagery.

So do you have an onyx on hand to use as an example of black? I have several pieces of obsidian that make a better comparison. Not everybody gets the same color of of blue when you think ocean. The beach here off the coast of Cali is actually a diarrhea brown green. The water out in Oahu was almost clear, out toward the horizon it was mostly similar to the color of the sky.

I mean what? you can't say opaque or possibly glossy black? It HAS to be Onyx? What about its luster? What about the style?

Try this:

"The girl had long glossy black locks coiled in a tight bun and suspended with scarlet lacquered chopsticks. Her round welcoming eyes were a shade of cyan not far from turquoise."

Look at that. Plenty of description and no focus on color.

Also a note, I'm sorry: Copper also came up as "A metallic reddish brown" in the dictionary. Should I just change that part to say "A metallic reddish brown"?



If we both missed the point, there is something to be said for your way of communicating it. While you never said NOT to use those adjectives, you did neglect to specify that doing so would be better than using the specific adjectives that you did say not to use [those based on gems, precious metals, fruits, etc.]

It doesn't HAVE to be anything, but it's the writer's choice, and someone who does decide to use onyx [which anyone can google if they don't have a piece, or look it up in the dictionary where they will explicitly find among the definitions "A black rock"] should be respected as still a legitimate writer.

I mean, take your sentence:
"The girl had long glossy onyx locks coiled in a tight bun and suspended with scarlet lacquered chopsticks. Her round welcoming eyes were a shade of cyan not far from turquoise."

How does it get worse replacing black with onyx? Your only solution with using the basic name of the color was to drown the rest of the sentence in adjectives.
Also, turquoise is a gem. o_o The color was named after it.

And Ocean blue obviously wouldn't express ocean diarrhea brown green.
>.> That's also kind of a given.


I don't suggest anything except that you loosen up about your ban on referencing other earthly commodities. Keep coppery in there, it's a great adjective. ;]
But for clarification, the first definition of copper is that it's an element/ductile metal. The color is derived from it, like turquoise, bronze, etc. People know copper is a metal first and a color second. We wouldn't have such a concise description for reddish brown without first having copper.
It's just strange to say that people should avoid using particular words just because they also represent gems/metals/etc.


I've also got to add, you used fruits in your guide too. Olive for green eyes, Strawberry Blond. Chestnut for brown hair.
I mean, do you realize the irony of that?
Your guide is littered with the same allusions you're telling people not to use.

Rabscuttle


Lebia

Partying Rogue

PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:49 pm


My rant was over people who use Gemstones for descriptions and nothing else. I still don't know where you two got this false dichotomy of no color or just what's on the wheel.

Why stop at color? (Another main premise of this guide) Color is a description but alone it is meaningless no matter what rock you stick behind it. What does the character "Look like?" What would they feel like? smell like? Now I'm just repeating myself. If you can actually describe an object you don't really have to describe the color.

Ocean, not a problem. Coke can red, not a problem. Golden? Unless you stick blond behind that, it should be a statue of solid gold.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:07 pm


You should have said it was a rant about using gemstones and nothing else, then. We're getting this "false dichotomy" from the fact that you did not specify that at all.
<_< I understand that there was a miscommunication, but I believe the error was on your part. Reading your guide, you seem to be just slamming the use of using adjectives that pertain to gemstones/metals/fruits, etc, (while simultaneously using them) and it wasn't until you were challenged for it that you defended yourself by clarifying.
It's just something to consider if you decide to rework your guide. Making it clear and understandable is a large part of making it helpful.

And what about someone who's using the word 'gold' artistically? Perhaps even in reference to a gold statue, while describing something obviously not made of gold?
I use objects to describe my characters frequently enough. "She had discovered a hairline crack in the porcelain of his Senecan composure" for instance. His face is obviously not made of porcelain [it's not even the super beautiful white of porcelain] but it's acceptable [and less boring] to express a sentiment creatively, using objects in analogies, metaphors, etc.

My point is that there are endless possibilities, and that using gemstones as descriptors should not be ruled out. It's all about how they're used.

Rabscuttle


LillianSaire
Captain

PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:32 pm


The problem with using worldly things instead of a box of crayons is that everyone thinks of it at least a little differently, so it doesn't describe it acutely. There is also that colors vary vastly in the light, especially with metal and gems.

Even the differences in monitors can make a color go from blue to green to brown. Heck, just on my soft screen (AKA not able to write on paper on it) of my net book the first 7 and last 7 of the skin charts could vary from all white/black to the 7 being different colors, depending on the angle and where on the screen it was.

There is a specific yellowish tint that people that have lived in a house with a smoker, or that smoke would know rather well, however someone who has not would think your glasses were dirty.
For instance, the scanner would scan the white background but the paint or image program would see a non-white color. The difference was visible when painting white over the background in the image. The shelves could be white, with the tint being from the lamps, until you put up a new shelf next to it. It is amusing, tint dating, shelves, books, paper, white/beige CRT monitors that now look dandelion yellow (crayon, not actual).
It sounds crazy, but go to yard sales or something similar and you will eventually find a pile of objects that by themselves look fine, but next to something newer look older than they are, or just yellower.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:31 pm


That's interesting input, but it doesn't really effectively exclude the usefulness of gemstones. Everything looks different in contrast, or on monitors, not just gems or fruits. The color yellow has innumerable different shades that cannot be aptly described using just the word yellow, or, as you said, dandelion yellow, or baby chicken yellow, etc, because those colors themselves have variations and appear different on each screen- But why does this matter? People are not by default going to imagine the distortion that occurs when viewed on different monitors, or when something contrasts with something else. That visual is only going to be there if the writer puts it there.

For instance:
"The alabaster white of the girl's skin appeared mottled and rosy as she lay against the stark white blanket of unsullied snow."

No one would question that her skin is alabaster white, or imagine it as any more intense than normal unless the author specifically states that it is.

People are inclined to misconstrue colors regardless of what precautions you take. The upside of using relatively cliched descriptions is that they're common enough to express a meaning that is nearly universal. People know that Sapphires are a deep, bright blue, not a smokey and opaque periwinkle.

The rest, as Lebia has demonstrated with her own example, can be accomplished by being specific and using multiple different references, provided that they don't completely contradict one another.


Also, there are incredibly diverse boxes of crayons these days. >.>
They often include shades like Copper, Amber, Emerald Green, Lime Green, etc.
Even the supposedly basic colors now include these gemstone/fruit/earthly specifiers.
It's inescapable, for one, and secondly it's perfectly worthy as a method of writing.

Rabscuttle


LillianSaire
Captain

PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:53 pm


Why say 'sapphire' instead of 'a deep, bright blue'?
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