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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:07 pm
Meh, I already made the Shabbat one, so...
1- No Kosher I really do love Bacon Cheeseburgers. I actually do eat Kosher food a lot because they serve it at my Jewish school, but then I come home and have Beef Hot Dogs and Milk on Shabbat. I like to say that I don't believe in Kashrut as a law that is necessary in the modern world the way it was when the Torah was written, but to be honest, that's an afterthought. I was raised with no Kashrut and I just can't resist those Cheeseburgers. Pork itself is waaaaaaaayyyy overrated, for those of you who've never had it, but I can't resist Beef and Cheese together; I like the taste. And if there's bacon, too, then that's just great. I have never actually committed to Kashrut beforem, except that Scrupulosity attack I told you guys about.
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:02 am
I ask one question about Menorah and Lumanny loses his mind.
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:49 am
If food is 99% kosher, it is 100% non-kosher. To be kosher, the ingredients must be kosher, and they must be prepared in a kosher way, in a kosher facility. If you're not Ashkenazi, it must also involve a Jew in the preparation (lighting the fire/turning on the electricity, AND putting the food to the fire/heat). Therefore, choices #3 and #4 are the same. Kosher is kosher; "almost kosher" is not kosher.
Guess we know where I stand on the matter, eh? wink
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:51 am
Divash If food is 99% kosher, it is 100% non-kosher. To be kosher, the ingredients must be kosher, and they must be prepared in a kosher way, in a kosher facility. If you're not Ashkenazi, it must also involve a Jew in the preparation (lighting the fire/turning on the electricity, AND putting the food to the fire/heat). Therefore, choices #3 and #4 are the same. Kosher is kosher; "almost kosher" is not kosher. Guess we know where I stand on the matter, eh? wink qft Lumanny your posts shows a distinct lack of knowledge of torah law, you tend to take a secular perspective of how the world views judaism and assume it works because it is well researched. Judaism isn't changed by how the world perceives it, if you want to know real halachah you seem to be looking in the wrong places.
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:40 pm
Divash If food is 99% kosher, it is 100% non-kosher. To be kosher, the ingredients must be kosher, and they must be prepared in a kosher way, in a kosher facility. If you're not Ashkenazi, it must also involve a Jew in the preparation (lighting the fire/turning on the electricity, AND putting the food to the fire/heat). Therefore, choices #3 and #4 are the same. Kosher is kosher; "almost kosher" is not kosher. By your own definition choices 3 and 4 are different for Ashkenazim.
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:41 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew Divash If food is 99% kosher, it is 100% non-kosher. To be kosher, the ingredients must be kosher, and they must be prepared in a kosher way, in a kosher facility. If you're not Ashkenazi, it must also involve a Jew in the preparation (lighting the fire/turning on the electricity, AND putting the food to the fire/heat). Therefore, choices #3 and #4 are the same. Kosher is kosher; "almost kosher" is not kosher. By your own definition choices 3 and 4 are different for Ashkenazim. I'm an Ashkanaz and your wrong.
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:44 pm
ScionoftheBlade Lumanny the Space Jew Divash If food is 99% kosher, it is 100% non-kosher. To be kosher, the ingredients must be kosher, and they must be prepared in a kosher way, in a kosher facility. If you're not Ashkenazi, it must also involve a Jew in the preparation (lighting the fire/turning on the electricity, AND putting the food to the fire/heat). Therefore, choices #3 and #4 are the same. Kosher is kosher; "almost kosher" is not kosher. By your own definition choices 3 and 4 are different for Ashkenazim. I'm an Ashkanaz and your wrong. I'm an Askenaz and you're wrong. See how much better that looks when spelled right?
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:47 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew I'm an Askenaz and you're wrong. See how much better that looks when spelled right? The food can only be labeled Kosher if it was cooked with kosher ingredients, using kosher utensils, and a jew was involved at some stage of the preparation (this is actually way more complex then I can say with certainty but there are times when it appies so I'm including it) So if "all the food you eat is kosher" how is it different from "Glat Kosher. I only eat Kosher food AND it must be prepared in a Kosher Kitchen and etcetera" Perhaps option 3 if referring only to vegetarians? Considering you have admitted multiple times to the depth of your actual religious practice you are a slightly less then credible source.
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:53 pm
I think there's merit in attempting kosher when you can't fully practice the act. For instance, I can assume that Lummany is still a dependent of his parents (like me) and if your parents aren't kosher, that makes it very hard to be kosher yourself. At least try to do what you can.
Then again I don't take a Orthodox perspective on things and I probably just want to feel better about the fact that I don't eat kosher...but I'm not Jewish so I guess it doesn't matter. Lol.
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:56 pm
ScionoftheBlade Lumanny the Space Jew I'm an Askenaz and you're wrong. See how much better that looks when spelled right? The food can only be labeled Kosher if it was cooked with kosher ingredients, using kosher utensils, and a jew was involved at some stage of the preparation (this is actually way more complex then I can say with certainty but there are times when it appies so I'm including it) So if "all the food you eat is kosher" how is it different from "Glat Kosher. I only eat Kosher food AND it must be prepared in a Kosher Kitchen and etcetera" Perhaps option 3 if referring only to vegetarians? Considering you have admitted multiple times to the depth of your actual religious practice you are a slightly less then credible source. Not all percieved Kosher is OU Kosher. Option 3 is for those who do not keep Glat Kosher but follow enough rules to think of themselves as Kosher.
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:01 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew Not all percieved Kosher is OU Kosher. Option 3 is for those who do not keep Glat Kosher but follow enough rules to think of themselves as Kosher. For anyone who would fill 4 3 would have the same meaning as it includes a presupposition of translating kosher a specific way. It's difficult to ask someone how much kosher they keep if the answer includes the phrase kosher. And for the record OU isn't the end all of Kosher. An example I know of is OU meats aren't always seen as having a good enough hechsher.
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:45 am
kingpinsqeezels I think there's merit in attempting kosher when you can't fully practice the act. For instance, I can assume that Lummany is still a dependent of his parents (like me) and if your parents aren't kosher, that makes it very hard to be kosher yourself. At least try to do what you can. Then again I don't take a Orthodox perspective on things and I probably just want to feel better about the fact that I don't eat kosher...but I'm not Jewish so I guess it doesn't matter. Lol. You said something important here: ANY step that a Jew or a convert-in-progress can take is a good step. I didn't always keep kosher, but I was vegetarian when I started thinking about keeping kosher, so for me it was easy to say "no pork, shellfish, or mixtures of meat and dairy" because I already wasn't eating pork, shellfish, or meat (with or without dairy). So my next step was using up all the non-kosher-certified products in my kitchen, and gradually replacing them with only kosher equivalents. My step after that was buying new dishes and cookware, and keeping them in their boxes until I moved to a new apartment, which was already planned for. Once we were in the new apartment, the obvious step was to kasher the kitchen. After that, we took all the new things to the mikvah to immerse them, and then begin using them. Those new things were all dairy. Six months later, we decided we felt ready to purchase items for meat use, and switch over. The kitchen was TINY, way too small to have more than one 'category' of untensils and vessels in play at a single time. We kept the stuff in the kitchen that pertained to that 'season', for instance dairy from Passover up until preparation for Rosh Hashanah, and everything else went in the top of the bedroom closet and remained untouched. It was another eight years before we moved to an apartment with a kitchen that was large enough to do more than one 'category' of food at a time. We now have meat, dairy, and parve utensils and vessels; a parve oven; a meat crock pot; a dairy toaster-oven large enough for a pan of lasagna or cheesy tuna casserole or some such. I feel great every time I go to cook dinner and get to wonder, "Shall I make chalav (dairy) tonight, or basar (meat), or maybe I'll do fish and have a parve (neutral) meal?" It's a real luxury. When someone tells me they live with their parents or in an apartment, I suggest that going kosher will be a lot easier if they buy new things and keep them in boxes until they're ready to move, then kasher the kitchen in the new place and start fresh. It's way easier than having to outfit a kitchen, then replace all the stuff that can't be kashered.
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