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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:19 pm
Whenever I watch any transformers series, I always watch them with a huge grain of salt and humor. I don't get annoyed when people criticize the series, just because it does have a lot of flaws. Lovable ones, even. I don't care if Optimus is a monkey or a truck or a tranny, I try to remain open. I even got to watching a bit of Kiss Players (NEVER AGAIN). Outside of that, I'm cool with anything the franchise / fandom throws at me. And I've seen some pretty frightening things.
I don't care what people slash and I don't get "uppity" when I see characters I don't like/normally picture together in pictures/stories/fanwank in general. It's really hard to offend me, unless the pairing is terribly written or totally out of character. Then it's sad, and you've ruined perfectly good characters so they could get raped up the butt. :'c /weeps/ I can honestly see some non - cannon pairings happening, so I'm not all against them, don't take me wrong. My points made, I've got a quick survey for ya'll!
How seriously do you take the series / franchise? How seriously do you take fandom? Is there anything in fandom that pisses you off / makes you FANGRY*? What new trends in fandom / franchises do you wish were never born? Are you strictly cannon, or allow for a little variation here and there? Only cannon pairings for you, or are you a little bit deviant? ;D
*Fangry - combo of fan + angry 8'D
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:25 pm
Sadly I think I fall in the "SRS BIZNEZZ" category of TF fandom, as I take a lot of things too seriously. Some fandom I can take seriously. Jokes I can take ok. Though I have problems coping with slash. Why? I'm not sure. Perhaps because I don't share the female mentality that is behind love of slash. (face it, almost all gay pairings are founded by girls/women in TF.). This is something I've tried my hardest to get used to, because I know if I say anything, I'll be labeled a "gay hater". Extreme sounding as it is, I have been called that before. fangry? hmm.. Sadly, again, this is slash-related. Mostly because of how froth-at-the-mouth slashers can be. They get shoved in my face, and I'm expected to like it, despite how I feel about slash, and if I don't, HO SH%#!@$! HITTIN' THE FAN NOW BOY-OH. I wish I were exaggerating. But I'm not. My girlfriend actually had her DA profile attacked by people who didn't like the fact that she was drawing Starscream with a fem instead of slobbering all over Megatron or whatever. That reason, and the fact that I have received angry notes via DA, have sort of soured me to the presence of Slash. I have friends who are into it, but I've made it clear that I don't want to talk about it. What new trends in fandom/franchises do I wish were never born? Hmm... I think the trend of... you guessed it, Slash. I'm sorry, but giant gay robots? Come oooooooon. neutral Oh, and Beast Machines. DID NOT WANT. Cybertron does NOT have a gooey layer of organic nougat. NO. I allow for a little variation here and there. Nothing crazy though. I don't like to deviate too much from the norm... my OCs are almost never even on the MarySue radar, I choose to focus on their own story instead of trying to superimpose them into mainstream storylines. (though stuff that happens in their storyline might be related to the main storyline, though usually only the big happenings). Cannon pairings... Yes and no. Yes for the major ones (i.e. Optimus and Elita, Ironhide and Chromia, etc. etc.), but of course, some that aren't paired might get someone special (like Rattrap, though in my little world, BEAST MACHINES DID NOT HAPPEN), Some might not. Depends on my mood. Though I make both fem and mech OCs, that does not mean that all fems are paired necessarily. And it's not like there aren't vehicle modes that fems could use. Hell, Stryka was TECHNICALLY female, and look at her. o.O She's like the Female Bowser of the Decepticons.  Ha-ha, Nintendo.
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:15 pm
How seriously do you take the series / franchise? I take it for what it is-- toys and really elaborate toy advertisements. Sure, I get slightly defensive when someone rips into Transformers, but I think any fan would. But I recognize it for its awesomeness AND its mistakes. Because there are a lot of mistakes and continuity errors. But that just makes me lol and love it more. As for serious, I'm a serious s**t collector-- I've spent serious money on some toys. But I can also laugh at the franchise, and I have plenty of times before. How seriously do you take fandom? LOLZ FANDOM. Is there anything in fandom that pisses you off / makes you FANGRY? Why is Starscream gay all the time? When did this trend start? Where did it come from? And WHY IS IT ALWAYS WITH MEGATRON!? scream What new trends in fandom / franchises do you wish were never born? I'm going to be boring and predictable and say Kiss Players. But seriously. Kiss Players. Are you strictly cannon, or allow for a little variation here and there? Well, everything's cannon and nothing is cannon. Therefore, I take cannon with a heaping mount of salt... and fannon. Only cannon pairings for you, or are you a little bit deviant? ;DWell, Springer and Arcee are cannon(ish), but I don't remember the last time Arcee hooked up with Thundercracker. So a little bit of both. razz
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:26 pm
That's pretty much universal whether it involves TFs or not. Quote: Beast Machines sucks too. Eh. It wasn't that bad. There's some good stuff before it gets to the end. Just tell yourself it splits into a tangent universe between BW and BM and ignore the final arc.
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:15 pm
Mylian That's pretty much universal whether it involves TFs or not. Quote: Beast Machines sucks too. Eh. It wasn't that bad. There's some good stuff before it gets to the end. Just tell yourself it splits into a tangent universe between BW and BM and ignore the final arc. Argh! I've been ad-libbed! It's not so bad as long as I think that. But alot of people don't. Hence why I said that. Also, yeah, I just notice it more with TF than I have many other fandoms. (excluding things like Naruto and Bleach, dear god)
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:00 pm
how seriosly do you take the series/franchies and fandom:eh i take it ok... its just when people say mean things about it i get very serious...but on a sale from 1-10 i take it to 5 cause i do complain about beast wars and some other stuff is there anything in the fandom that pisses you off?:yes. kiss players and people who think starscream is gay with megatron! evil (they're slaggin enemies 4 primus's sake! ) what fandoms do you wish were never born: megatronxscreamer,soundwavexscreamer,megatronxskywarp yaoi burning_eyes (its scary!) but other than that i like most slash..(specially tcxwarpxscreamer slash sry! can help but <3 that couple) only cannon pairings for you or r u deviant?:if you mean deviant like devianart then i like both... (some pairings someone made up or just pairings by cannon r alright 2 me unless they're not like megs raping screamer)
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:23 pm
How seriously do you take the series / franchise? With a grain of salt. It's not a real world, but there are some things that miff me.
How seriously do you take fandom? Same as above.
Is there anything in fandom that pisses you off / makes you FANGRY*? *Shrugs* Not honestly.
What new trends in fandom / franchises do you wish were never born? Everyone enjoys different things, I don't mind most of it.
Are you strictly cannon, or allow for a little variation here and there? Variation never hurt anything.
Only cannon pairings for you, or are you a little bit deviant? ;D As above, a little deviance never hurt anything.
Little Side Note I don't care if people don't like TF 'slash'. In my world they don't have genders, thus there's no 'yaoi' 'yuri' just pairings. I like OptimusxMegatron, I like StarscreamxMegatron, I like all the common 'slash' couples to a degree and I like uncommon ones. I'm not much into the Canon ones such as Elita-1 and Optimus, but I do like Blackarachnia/Elita-1 and Sentinel. Basically, to me, I like mechs that fit together some way or another. They're machines, they don't have a gender per-say. We gave them genders because of their 'voices and looks'. Also, I'm not a huge slash fan either... it's not horrible, but it's not always my cup of tea. Yet since they're really seriously technically genderless -- it's not slash.
Yet the non-slash lovers should try to understand from the slash lovers point of view as well as vice versa. Apparently the two clash and obviously not everyone has my mind frame of "THEY'RE MACHINES. THEY DON'T HAVE GENDERS. HUMANS JUST GAVE THEM THAT TO RELATE TO THEM ON SOME CERTAIN LEVEL."
/endnote
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:09 pm
Koneko Midoria I don't care if people don't like TF 'slash'. In my world they don't have genders, thus there's no 'yaoi' 'yuri' just pairings. I like OptimusxMegatron, I like StarscreamxMegatron, I like all the common 'slash' couples to a degree and I like uncommon ones. I'm not much into the Canon ones such as Elita-1 and Optimus, but I do like Blackarachnia/Elita-1 and Sentinel. Basically, to me, I like mechs that fit together some way or another. They're machines, they don't have a gender per-say. We gave them genders because of their 'voices and looks'. Also, I'm not a huge slash fan either... it's not horrible, but it's not always my cup of tea. Yet since they're really seriously technically genderless -- it's not slash. Slash doesn't mean yaoi and yuri. Slash means ANY romantic pairing or "shipping". One Character/Another Character. The (slash) between paired characters is why it's called slash.
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:53 pm
Mylian Koneko Midoria I don't care if people don't like TF 'slash'. In my world they don't have genders, thus there's no 'yaoi' 'yuri' just pairings. I like OptimusxMegatron, I like StarscreamxMegatron, I like all the common 'slash' couples to a degree and I like uncommon ones. I'm not much into the Canon ones such as Elita-1 and Optimus, but I do like Blackarachnia/Elita-1 and Sentinel. Basically, to me, I like mechs that fit together some way or another. They're machines, they don't have a gender per-say. We gave them genders because of their 'voices and looks'. Also, I'm not a huge slash fan either... it's not horrible, but it's not always my cup of tea. Yet since they're really seriously technically genderless -- it's not slash. Slash doesn't mean yaoi and yuri. Slash means ANY romantic pairing or "shipping". One Character/Another Character. The (slash) between paired characters is why it's called slash. Really now? Most stories I read with the warning of "SLASH" it means male/male and FemSLASH means female/female. Instead of using "Yaoi" or "Yuri" since they're not Japanese fandoms. I even decided to look up the word and many to almost every definition comes out the same way as I presented it, same sex coupling.
Wiki Definition [ FANFIC SLASH DEF ] Wiki Definition[ SLASH DEF ]
If you want to read it on wikipedia, be my guest. It might be wrong and it might be right, I never take anything the internet has to say 100% to heart anyway, including Wiki. Yet it's an easy article to get some sort of point across -- maybe so you can tell me where you got your definition. Since I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just not the one I'm used to, nor commonly exposed to -- that definition wise.
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:31 am
According to the first link, I'm simply using an outdated meaning. Oh well. xd
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:23 pm
Koneko Midoria Little Side NoteI don't care if people don't like TF 'slash'. In my world they don't have genders, thus there's no 'yaoi' 'yuri' just pairings. I like OptimusxMegatron, I like StarscreamxMegatron, I like all the common 'slash' couples to a degree and I like uncommon ones. I'm not much into the Canon ones such as Elita-1 and Optimus, but I do like Blackarachnia/Elita-1 and Sentinel. Basically, to me, I like mechs that fit together some way or another. They're machines, they don't have a gender per-say. We gave them genders because of their 'voices and looks'. Also, I'm not a huge slash fan either... it's not horrible, but it's not always my cup of tea. Yet since they're really seriously technically genderless -- it's not slash. Yet the non-slash lovers should try to understand from the slash lovers point of view as well as vice versa. Apparently the two clash and obviously not everyone has my mind frame of "THEY'RE MACHINES. THEY DON'T HAVE GENDERS. HUMANS JUST GAVE THEM THAT TO RELATE TO THEM ON SOME CERTAIN LEVEL." /endnote Hhhnnnggg.... I know I prolly shouldn't, but I have to say something. sad They're not technically genderless at all. Canonically, they're fem and mech. Seriously. Noone's ever gone into the physical differences, but it goes beyond "oh, their voice sounds pretty" or "wow, they've got boobs" And even if such were the case, there are so many pictures/fics/whatnot that depict them with genitalia, or phallic-like instruments. Yes, there are always softcore images. There are ALWAYS softcore images. but for every softcore, someonwhere, someone gave Megatron a working "instrument.". >_> HUMANS GAVE THEM GENDERS BECAUSE THEY HAVE GENDERS. The only universe that they didn't originally have genders was the IDW gender, where Jhiaxus fuddled around with some RNA (Robonucleic acid? o.O) to make Arcee, who was also insane. Fems exist. They exist for a reason. That's canon, and can't really be disputed. It's not one of those questions like "Is Grimlock REALLY that dumb?" that can be interpreted in other fashions. It's pretty black and white. neutral
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:54 pm
Yamato1 Hhhnnnggg.... I know I prolly shouldn't, but I have to say something. sad They're not technically genderless at all. Canonically, they're fem and mech. Seriously. Noone's ever gone into the physical differences, but it goes beyond "oh, their voice sounds pretty" or "wow, they've got boobs" And even if such were the case, there are so many pictures/fics/whatnot that depict them with genitalia, or phallic-like instruments. Yes, there are always softcore images. There are ALWAYS softcore images. but for every softcore, someonwhere, someone gave Megatron a working "instrument.". >_> HUMANS GAVE THEM GENDERS BECAUSE THEY HAVE GENDERS. The only universe that they didn't originally have genders was the IDW gender, where Jhiaxus fuddled around with some RNA (Robonucleic acid? o.O) to make Arcee, who was also insane. Fems exist. They exist for a reason. That's canon, and can't really be disputed. It's not one of those questions like "Is Grimlock REALLY that dumb?" that can be interpreted in other fashions. It's pretty black and white. neutral To a degree, I acknowledge that and realize it exists at that way. Yet, to another degree -- it doesn't really matter if they do or don't have genders. I believe they don't because they're giant robots. They might have certain depicted genitalia that belongs to one sex or another, but in the end they aren't real and they're transportation vehicles.
They're machines, they're metal... wires, and much more. Yet we also gender-place our own cars, but even still it doesn't really have that gender -- it's just something we picked. Yes, humans made Transformers have some sort of gender because it can allow us to relate them better.
I respect that, Canonly ...canon... D8 WHATEVER it is! Haha, that they have genders. Yet, in my mind -- they do not and they stay that way. Transformers needs to make more femmes anyway, there's like... what? 10 of them maybe, if that?
<3
Thank you for sharing your opinion and evidence, I do respect it.
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:13 pm
Koneko Midoria To a degree, I acknowledge that and realize it exists at that way. Yet, to another degree -- it doesn't really matter if they do or don't have genders. I believe they don't because they're giant robots. They might have certain depicted genitalia that belongs to one sex or another, but in the end they aren't real and they're transportation vehicles.
They're machines, they're metal... wires, and much more. Yet we also gender-place our own cars, but even still it doesn't really have that gender -- it's just something we picked. Yes, humans made Transformers have some sort of gender because it can allow us to relate them better.
I respect that, Canonly ...canon... WHATEVER it is! Haha, that they have genders. Yet, in my mind -- they do not and they stay that way. Transformers needs to make more femmes anyway, there's like... what? 10 of them maybe, if that?
<3
Thank you for sharing your opinion and evidence, I do respect it. Heh, my "if I was a transformer" sense ragefaced when you said "they're transportation vehicles.". They're an intelligent race first, alternate modes next. (barring how the combiners started out in G1. Lol, Combaticons and Stunticons.) I don't mean to sound like I'm raging against you specifically. I just hear that argument from "slashers" an awful lot. (this also from people who eventually draw TFs with genitalia). That aside, I also have a problem with "autobot/decepticon" slash. It's just TOO out of character. i.e. your mention of the Optimus/Megatron slashfic. Sorry, I couldn't hold back the jibblies. neutral That is a serious question that I pose, though. Why is it that 99% of TF slash comes from the female side of the fandom? neutral Well, I take that back, it's not JUST TF, some of the people that I've seen draw/write this stuff are also into other forms of slash. So I suppose, why is it that girls/women are the main source of slash? I don't like seeing things that make me uncomfortable having my 20th Anniv Optimus anywhere near my bed. >.>
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:01 pm
Yamato1 Heh, my "if I was a transformer" sense ragefaced when you said "they're transportation vehicles.". They're an intelligent race first, alternate modes next. (barring how the combiners started out in G1. Lol, Combaticons and Stunticons.) I don't mean to sound like I'm raging against you specifically. I just hear that argument from "slashers" an awful lot. (this also from people who eventually draw TFs with genitalia). That aside, I also have a problem with "autobot/decepticon" slash. It's just TOO out of character. i.e. your mention of the Optimus/Megatron slashfic. Sorry, I couldn't hold back the jibblies. neutral That is a serious question that I pose, though. Why is it that 99% of TF slash comes from the female side of the fandom? neutral Well, I take that back, it's not JUST TF, some of the people that I've seen draw/write this stuff are also into other forms of slash. So I suppose, why is it that girls/women are the main source of slash? I don't like seeing things that make me uncomfortable having my 20th Anniv Optimus anywhere near my bed. >.> Well yes, they're intelligent beings, but to e completely honest they are modes of transportation -- some are just other electronic devices. They aren't real, thus I see no reason to get my knickers in a bunch -- if you catch my drift. I let people like what they like, I respect their opinion and I just turn the other cheek.
There are certain things I don't like per-say, in other fandoms and even this one! Yet, it boils down to -- it's not reality and just because someone is ruining your outlook, doesn't mean you have to pressure them or harass them to look at your own as well. In the end, you're doing neither, just stating your own general opinion without pushing it on me -- but at the same time, we could go on and on about this.
It will get no where. I respect how you feel, but I expect the same respect from die-hard Transformers fans. I am a die-hard Transformer fan, but I don't always think everything is 100% right and/or should be one way or the other. I accept things as they are in the series, but I can certainly change them outside of it. I like variety, there aren't many femmes to pair up with mechs anyway... and I rarely like any of the femmes. My only true likes are Arcee's, Red Alert [ Animated ], and Blackarachnia... and Sari if you count her as one.
If they had more females to begin with, maybe the female side of the populace wouldn't feel the need to pair Optimus and.. I dunno Ratchet or Ratchet and Wheeljack. So on so fourth, you get my point. Yet, in the end, there will always be ones who like slash and ones who don't.
Arguing it out won't help either. Stating opinions won't help it either.
In the end, each one has their own opinion and/or thought-process. Respecting it and not getting your panties in a bunch over it can help greatly in the long run.
[ not saying you're frazzled, but I'm just stating in general. <3 ]
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:45 pm
I believe it comes down to the semantic difference between "gender" and "sex". Gender is a psychological function, sex is a biological function. Transformers have gender, but they don't have sex.
I believe that should satisfy both sides of the argument, shouldn't it?
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