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 Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:00 pm
We were all vegan? Where would all of the overbred cows and chickens and turkeys go? What would happen to the earth, if all of us, quit eating meat?
I personally strongly believe that it isn't ideal for everyone to be vegan. There are some of us who are special and can make it work, but all of us? I don't think the whole world has access to the nutrients and special things that us folks in 1st world countries do. I can imagine that animals would overpopulate in certain areas, and that they would then start eating our food crops as well.
Discuss your opinions, I'm open to new ideas on this.
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:48 pm
There are two fundamental theories associated with this that'll address your two main points that (1) what would happen with the animals we weren't eating and (2) the lack of reasonableness for some peoples to go veg.
The first is that in an uncontrolled environment, ie. nature, a law similar to supply and demand takes effect. When there is an overabundance of prey animals like cows, chickens, turkeys, etc., the predators will thrive. Oh, and will they thrive! Wolves, mountain lions, coyotes, you name it, and their population will boom. Then, as the food supply is cut off and diminished below normal levels, the predators will die off of starvation, high infant mortality rates, etc. The boom will bounce back and forth until the ecology once again reaches a state of equilibrium. It may take years, 10, 20, 30? But the problem of overpopulation will be only immediate, not long-term.
Second, if the world was vegan, you're right about the 3rd world. Some societies have existed because they ate anything and everything they could, which may have included eating bugs to avoid starving to death. It would only make sense to be vegan for those who which it was economically and physically feasible. I'm not sure about how the transition over to non-animal products would change our current distribution practices. I know that we already have enough food to feed everyone in the world, but not how going veg would change that.
Personally, I do hope one day that we can all quit eating meat! smile God bless.
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:37 am
We currently breed animals to eat them. If we all went veg, we would stop breeding so many animals. That means some animal populations might be high for a few years, but they would decline.
You might be thinking, "But wouldn't the animals continue to breed and therefore keep their populations just as high though?" The answer is no. The meat and dairy industry actually use a lot of artificial insemination. Turkeys in particular have been bred to have such large breasts that a lot of them can't even mount to mate anymore. So a lot of turkey farms exclusively use artificial insemination. And that means if humans back off and stop forcing some populations to stay high, they will certainly go down. And if there is still excess, that is when Mother Nature steps in with predators and survival of the fittest.
As for having enough food to feed everyone. Well, I have heard that animals take so much water and grain to raise that we actually lose resources by doing so. In other words, if we gave the grain and water to people rather than to animals, we would have more food than we do now.
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:28 pm
It's actually kind of interesting that a show called Life After Humans talked about domestic animals and what would happen to them should humans just randomly disappear. Most would die off due to low reproductive rates. Even species that are still physically able to breed would do so very slowly because in most species, the females have more value, such as milk and egg production, and there are very few non-castrated males. That fact alone would prevent overpopulation. Also, remember that these animals are bred to meet demand (supply and demand economics). As fewer people request meat, fewer animals will be bred for meat. The transition would be slow and barely noticeable.
As for the possibility for all people to be vegan, I think that everyone should be able to eat as healthily as possible, and in most indigenous and less industrial cultures, a plant based diet is the norm, and meat and animal products are a rare or purely celebratory food. Cultures that have respect and love for animals already eat them less, or not at all, and the rest of us just need to catch up with them.
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:40 pm
Well, they'd die very likely from some way or another. However, they'd die anyway if humans were eating them.
What's more is that if humans keep on eating animals they'll continue bringing animals into the world and causing their death. In the hypothetical vegan world situation it only happens *once*
Omnivores have this ******** up god complex where they are both maker and murderer of the animals they lord over.
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:52 am
Well, i think if everyone became vegan, we could release the cows, and the chickens and the piggies (and all the other animals) and they would have to adjust to ...well freedom...they could wander where they want, eat what and when they want.
There are plenty of open spaces in the US(where I'm from anyway) where the cows could go...I'm sure they'll learn to adapt. Like those animals born and raised in a zoo having to be reintroduced to their natural surroundings....
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:21 pm
Sgt_Psych Well, i think if everyone became vegan, we could release the cows, and the chickens and the piggies (and all the other animals) and they would have to adjust to ...well freedom...they could wander where they want, eat what and when they want. There are plenty of open spaces in the US(where I'm from anyway) where the cows could go...I'm sure they'll learn to adapt. Like those animals born and raised in a zoo having to be reintroduced to their natural surroundings.... That what be a terrible idea. They would just become pests, and as a result the wildlife would suffer. In Australia they released cane toads and foxes into the wild for other reasons, and Australia still hasn't recovered. A lot of animals have become extinct.
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:10 am
The world will never go veg*n overnight. If all (or even most) people were to adopt a veg*n lifestyle, it would no doubt be a gradual change. Demand for meat, dairy and eggs would decrease over time, and with less demand, the industry would likely cut back on the numbers it currently breeds. Rather than a sudden flood of cattle released into the wild, you'd more likely see less and less beef/dairy being sold, until eventually, it vanishes from the shelves completely as the industry shrinks. Of course, there would still be cows, pigs, chickens and other animals left scattered around, but they wouldn't be swarming us like ants at a picnic. Eventually many of these species may wind up as companion animals, such as many horses or dogs. The idea of "what if everything changed overnight" is interesting, but so unlikely that I don't think it's worth serious consideration. Gradual changes seem more reasonable. It's true that livestock require tremendous amounts of feed and water. If everything grown for livestock was instead set aside for human use, these resources would go much, much further. Look at this: *Generally, cows will eat about 2-2.5% of their body weight per day. *Smaller cows can weigh as little as 600, while larger cows can weigh 2000. *So, an average cow might eat between 15 and 50 pounds of food per day, and will continue to do so for a couple of years before slaughter. All to produce a few burgers and steaks. How many more people could be fed with those 15-50 pounds ( per day) of food? If you applied this around the world, many, many more people could be fed. The world could certainly benefit from going veg*n, and not just in the interest of feeding everyone. Green house gasses and pollution would be drastically reduced as well. I don't expect everyone in the world to adopt a veg*n lifestyle, but if they did, it would be closer to 'ideal' than anything we experience today.
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:41 am
Lady Callie G We were all vegan? Where would all of the overbred cows and chickens and turkeys go? What would happen to the earth, if all of us, quit eating meat? I personally strongly believe that it isn't ideal for everyone to be vegan. There are some of us who are special and can make it work, but all of us? I don't think the whole world has access to the nutrients and special things that us folks in 1st world countries do. I can imagine that animals would overpopulate in certain areas, and that they would then start eating our food crops as well. Discuss your opinions, I'm open to new ideas on this. There wouldn't be over bread animals, because we wouldn't be breeding them. Why would we?
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:03 am
Nadira Lady Callie G We were all vegan? Where would all of the overbred cows and chickens and turkeys go? What would happen to the earth, if all of us, quit eating meat? I personally strongly believe that it isn't ideal for everyone to be vegan. There are some of us who are special and can make it work, but all of us? I don't think the whole world has access to the nutrients and special things that us folks in 1st world countries do. I can imagine that animals would overpopulate in certain areas, and that they would then start eating our food crops as well. Discuss your opinions, I'm open to new ideas on this. There wouldn't be over bread animals, because we wouldn't be breeding them. Why would we? Bread animals are delicious and tasty to eat, though.
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:19 am
Naynram Ukir Nadira There wouldn't be over bread animals, because we wouldn't be breeding them. Why would we? Bread animals are delicious and tasty to eat, though. I agree. Way better than bread sticks.
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:52 am
Esselean Naynram Ukir Nadira There wouldn't be over bread animals, because we wouldn't be breeding them. Why would we? Bread animals are delicious and tasty to eat, though. I agree. Way better than bread sticks. 
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