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Akshamala

PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:47 pm


Whooo, it's been awhile. ^.^

Anyway, I have another article to post...

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The Sunday Times - Britain
November 27, 2005

A GOVERNMENT agency is launching an inquiry into doctors� reports that up to 50 babies a year are born alive after botched National Health Service abortions.

The investigation, by the Confidential Enquiry into Maternal and Child Health (CEMACH), comes amid growing unease among clinicians over a legal ambiguity that could see them being charged with infanticide.

The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, which regulates methods of abortion, has also mounted its own investigation.

Its guidelines say that babies aborted after more than 21 weeks and six days of gestation should have their hearts stopped by an injection of potassium chloride before being delivered. In practice, few doctors are willing or able to perform the delicate procedure.

For the abortion of younger foetuses, labour is induced by drugs in the expectation that the infant will not survive the birth process. Guidelines say that doctors should ensure that the drugs they use prevent such babies being alive at birth.

In practice, according to Stuart Campbell, former professor of obstetrics and gynaecology at St George�s hospital, London, a number do survive.

�They can be born breathing and crying at 19 weeks� gestation,� he said. �I am not anti-abortion, but as far as I am concerned this is sub-standard medicine.�

The number of terminations carried out in the 18th week of pregnancy or later has risen from 5,166 in 1994 to 7,432 last year. Prenatal diagnosis for conditions such as Down�s syndrome is increasing and foetuses with the condition are routinely aborted, even though many might be capable of leading fulfilling lives. In the past decade, doctors� skill in saving the lives of premature babies has improved radically: at least 70%-80% of babies in their 23rd or 24th week of gestation now survive long-term.

Abortion on demand is allowed in Britain up to 24 weeks � more than halfway through a normal pregnancy and the highest legal limit for such terminations in Europe. France and Germany permit �social� abortions only up to the 10th and 12th weeks respectively.

Doctors are increasingly uneasy about aborting babies who could be born alive. �If viability is the basis on which they set the 24-week limit for abortion, then the simplest answer is to change the law and reduce the upper limit to 18 weeks,� said Campbell, who last year published a book showing images of foetuses� facial expressions and �walking� movements taken with a form of 3-D ultrasound.

The Department of Health was alerted three months ago to the issue of babies surviving failed terminations. In August clinicians in Manchester published an analysis of 31 such babies born in northwest England between 1996 and 2001.

�If a baby is born alive following a failed abortion and then dies (because of lack of care), you could potentially be charged with murder,� said Shantala Vadeyar, a consultant obstetrician at South Manchester University Hospitals NHS Trust, who led the study.

A systematic investigation of data collected through the CEMACH indicated that there are at least 50 cases a year nationwide in which babies survive abortion attempts.

�First sight of our data suggests this is happening,� said Shona Golightly, the agency�s research director. She said official confirmation of the figures would be available next year.

It is not known how many babies who survive attempted abortions go on to live into adulthood.

Paul Clarke, a neonatal intensive care specialist in Norwich, has treated a boy born at 24 weeks after three failed abortion attempts. The mother decided to keep the child, who is now two years old but is suffering what doctors call �significant ongoing medical problems�.

�The survival of this child was not recorded in any official statistics,� Clarke said. �There is nothing at the moment to force abortion practitioners to account for their failures.�

The issue will be highlighted by Gianna Jessen, 28, who survived an attempt to abort her. She is to speak at a parliamentary meeting on December 6 organised by the Alive and Kicking campaign, which is lobbying for a reduction of the abortion limit to 18 weeks.

Jessen, a musician from Nashville, Tennessee, was left with cerebral palsy but is to run in the London marathon next April to raise funds for fellow sufferers.

�If abortion is about women�s rights, then what were my rights?� she asked.

�If people are going to talk about abortion, then it�s important for them to know that these are babies that can be born alive and survive.�


The first thing that came into my mind after reading this was, "How can anyone manage to live with the knowledge that their mother tried to kill them before they were born?" and "So what happens when the baby's born? Do they still murder him/her?"

It just makes me sick.

Eh, I'm going to stop from here. I can't keep my eyes open any longer. gonk
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:14 pm


Wow... to be born, and knowing that you were never wanted. That would tear my heart out, knowing that even my own mother tried to kill me.

]Kaiser[


lymelady
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:14 am


Glad they're finally doing something about it.

Plenty of people are born knowing they were never wanted, but to be born knowing that your mom had tried to have you killed? I'd be scared of my mom.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:58 am


I...I really don't know what I would do. I have an idea. I would first disown my parents. I would then have my name legaly changed and break all tied with them. Yeah...I think thats how bad it woudl hurt me.

Tiger of the Fire


A Menina Pianista

PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:11 pm


So I guess there's a little good news here. That's good, I like good news. But, you know. I wonder if that woman will ever tell her daughter what she tried to do to her. Hmm... better yet, I wonder if the woman has become Pro-Life because of her daughter's servival against her repeated attacks.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:55 pm


Well, people who are told that they were ALMOST aborted manage to forgive their parents, and can become prolife afterwards, as can the parents. Either she'll stay prochoice or become prolife. My concern is her getting angry and yelling, "I wish the abortionist hadn't botched the job!" Can you imagine hearing that?

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Tiger of the Fire

PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:27 pm


If I heard that...I'd probably go crazy and abort my parents.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:00 am


wouldn't that be nice to come into our world and knowing you weren't wanted what a feeling. I would feel horrible and not wanted. It would tear me up.

.x. FFA kid .x.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:47 am


Mizzpriss13
wouldn't that be nice to come into our world and knowing you weren't wanted what a feeling. I would feel horrible and not wanted. It would tear me up.

It would suck but I'd rather be able to know that than to... well not know anything at all.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:03 pm


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Mizzpriss13
wouldn't that be nice to come into our world and knowing you weren't wanted what a feeling. I would feel horrible and not wanted. It would tear me up.

It would suck but I'd rather be able to know that than to... well not know anything at all.
And THAT is the damn point of it all.

Of course, "Humans don't deserve life."

Yeah, that's why murder's illegal. rolleyes

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Gestapo de Capo

PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 5:27 am


Well, my mother told me that she wished she'd aborted me when she'd had the chance during one of our recent fights (she was counciled by a pro-life group of traveling Catholic people waaaay back 13 years ago and they, over the course of 45 minutes, coxed her butt away and thus I was born) and that nearly destroyed me. I just have a bad pick of a mum, I suppose, but that's the very same reason why (or at least one of them) why I made my recent decesion and crossed over from Pro-choice to pro-life... not to mention, I took a look at what I was standing for

I used to just be able to say "I am pro-life a woman can make a choice about her body the end" and trot off, but then I really thought about what I was saying, I ended up looking up pictures of aborted fetuses online. They're children. They're people...and by the time I got to the 22 weeks one, I lost my lunch as the piano melody to rock a bye baby got stuck in my head. ugggh.
Okay. I ranted. I'm sorry. sad
PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 4:05 pm


We and my mom fight alot, but she never wished I was dead. Just other things. If she did told me that, lets just say the fight might be lot worse and probly won't be able to forgive her knowing she tried to kill to me.

I can't believe how horrible and cruel some people are.

rweghrheh


whyette

PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:51 pm


I think it's ridiculous that these people will be charged with murder because an abortion was botched. It shows the real flaw with the system, because it can be killed inside the mom and it's okay, but if you kill it outside, it's murder? That shows how screwed up our society really is.

-Whyette
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:32 pm


Some pro-choicers say they're glad their mother had a choice, but frankly, I'm glad my mom never would have dreamed of killing me, even before I was born. My mom had a choice, she chose to have sex without birth control twice and as a result she had me and my sister. (well, maybe she tried more than once but I'd rather not think about that...) gonk

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:38 pm


La Veuve Zin
Some pro-choicers say they're glad their mother had a choice, but frankly, I'm glad my mom never would have dreamed of killing me, even before I was born. My mom had a choice, she chose to have sex without birth control twice and as a result she had me and my sister. (well, maybe she tried more than once but I'd rather not think about that...) gonk
If my mother hadn't had an abortion... I wouldn't have been born.

She got pregnant soon after she and my father married. She had an abortion. A few years later she planned to have my older brother. A month after he was born she got pregnant again, with me. It was very much so an "oops." Had she already had two children (ie not aborted the first oops) she would have aborted me. She could not afford three children, and she frankly didn't want three children (hence why she had her tubes tied after I was born).

I'm glad my mother had a choice, because it means she truly wanted me and was not compelled to have me against her will. She had me because she wanted me... and that means the world to me. If she had been forced to have me against her will I'd feel horrible. I would always wonder if she truly loved me or if deep down she resented me because I was an accident and she had no way of being rid of me. I'd worry that, as has happened to Seleana, my mother would make it well known to me that I was unwanted and that she resented having had me or for being talked out of aborting me if ever I disappointed her. Further it would probably haunt me that being forced to have me against her will... having her emotional and physical well being shattered due to the trauma of a mandatory pregnancy, was a leading factor in her suicide. At least I can rest assured that that wasn't the case (had she been compelled to have me against her will... I'd probably be haunted for life thinking that she killed herself because I was the biggest thing that ruined her life).

Being happy that she was forced into having me against her will would be like saying I'm happy my father is forced to pay taxes so I can continue to live in our house. It baffles me.
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