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 Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:16 pm
Good evidence for creationists that one creature can turn into a very different kind. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/863766/snake-born-with-hand-shocks-scientists
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Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:19 pm
Nowai.
Maybe its a rare Chinese chemical. Now you have to comment on my topic of what god does all day.
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:19 pm
Holy...that's awesome and at the same time weird. Hmm...might have been a genetic mutation or...could this very well be the next step in the evolutionary chain for serpentine creatures?
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:47 pm
Arios V Holy...that's awesome and at the same time weird. Hmm...might have been a genetic mutation or...could this very well be the next step in the evolutionary chain for serpentine creatures?
If you look at the topography of china and compare adaption to the eyeless fish underground gaining eyes years later, this COULD be the new form of adaption.
That or a lizard ******** a snake. What happens in Hong Kong, stays there.
I hope it was a possible deformation, though, that would mean that snakes would not have hands.
Actually, snakes with hands would suck a**. You can't get away from a constrictor if he holds your hands down.
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:51 pm
This is not an example of one creature turning into another, and you should not use this as evidence of evolution. Well not in this way, but I'll get to that. Evolution does not happen like this, as it is a gradual process and this is just an example of a very extreme defect that will not bring any benefit to the animal, but will merely give it trouble.
The real evidence for evolution this example gives is that it is an atavism. An atavism is when certain traits of an animal, that it had in it's evolutionary past become expressed again. Examples include: dolphins with rear fins, teeth in birds, tails and extra nipples in humans and in this case legs in snakes, because snakes are descendant from lizard-like animals with legs.
These kinds of phenomena are great evidence for the tree of life as we understand it, since they fit exactly with the current model.
You won't, for example find feathers on humans or scales in pigs, because they are not related in such a way. Human ancestors never had feathers, they did however have tails.
That is why this is still a good piece of evidence for evolution. But if you try and present it as "one thing can turn into a different kind", you'd be wrong and they might call you on it. If you want to argue for evolution, you better have a good understanding of how it works, or it may do more harm than good.
And I hate the news item. This is not "shocking", especially not for scientists. It's actually completely expectable.
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:17 pm
Captain_Shinzo Arios V Holy...that's awesome and at the same time weird. Hmm...might have been a genetic mutation or...could this very well be the next step in the evolutionary chain for serpentine creatures?
If you look at the topography of china and compare adaption to the eyeless fish underground gaining eyes years later, this COULD be the new form of adaption.
That or a lizard ******** a snake. What happens in Hong Kong, stays there.
I hope it was a possible deformation, though, that would mean that snakes would not have hands.
Actually, snakes with hands would suck a**. You can't get away from a constrictor if he holds your hands down.That's true, I forgot about adaptations, although chances are that this was probably just a deformation @ Artto: When I mentioned evolution I was being sarcastic (looking back on it now, should have put "evolution" in air quotes...oh well, I have not been thinking to clearly today.) However, you do bring up a very good point that this is nothing really new, just a snake whose DNA threw back to its ancestors.
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:28 pm
@Arios V: I just wrote all this cause evolutionary theory is one of my favourite subjects and I don't like when it's misrepresented biggrin Some other examples of atavisms: Dolphin with rear fins:  Another snake with (not as dramatic) legs: A human with a tail (ew):
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:34 pm
Artto @Arios V: I just wrote all this cause evolutionary theory is one of my favourite subjects and I don't like when it's misrepresented biggrin Some other examples of atavisms: Dolphin with rear fins: Another snake with (not as dramatic) legs: A human with a tail (ew): I like how you think, however evolution and the change of species was never my strong points when it comes to debating. sweatdrop ( P.S. Last picture looks like a strange p***s. 0.0 )
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:57 pm
Possibly an atavism. No one will be sure after a couple of hundred years, maybe 8D
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