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I'm going to go over key verses and explain what the Bible doesn't say about Homosexuality and why you shouldn't really pay pastors any mind.

First up is Leviticus

Leviticus 18:22 NIV Wrote:

22 Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
Now what's interesting about Leviticus is that it's apart of the OT. As many of you know, the OT is the first 5 books of the Torah, Tankh. As many of you know or should know is that the Torah is Jewish law. Now why should a Christian follow Jewish law? Since when were Christians Jewish? Leviticus refers to Jewish priests not Homosexuals.

Now in Deuteronomy 23:17, Canaanites had male and female prostitutes. The Hebrew word for male prostitute is actually qadesh not Sodomite. What your pastor told you happens to be a mistranslation. Also it's referring to idolatry being an abomination. They considered same sex relations to be idolatrous not adulterous.

Leviticus 20:13 NIV Wrote:


13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.


An abomination is something that God finds to be unclean. There are many things that God deems as unclean like shrimp for example.

However according to Galataians 3:22-25, we are no longer required to follow Jewish Law.

Galatians 3:22-25 NIV Wrote:
22But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ[a] that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.


Now onto Romans.

ROMANS 1:24-27 Wrote:
4Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.


Many of the NT books don't actually talk about homosexual relationships, they're actually quite silent on them. Paul is the only author of the NT books to even mention it. Must make him feel pretty special right? However, Romans refers to the same thing Leviticus refers to, in regards to homosexuality, idolatry.

Paul is actually describing to God in an "unnatural way" by accepting the Gentile Christians. Unnatural does not refer to that of which isn't nature but the contradiction of one's own nature. Because of this we should view a person who either gay or lesbian as being "unnatural" trying to live as a straight person.

The interesting thing about Romans 1:26 is that this could be the only reference of lesbianism in the Bible, it's plausible but not really possible. However, this verse could actually be referring to women having a more dominant role, it's possible, seeing that during Paul's time, his culture was very repressive and restrictive of women.

The homosexual acts described in Roman 1:27 aren't the same acts that we see today. The homosexual acts we see today are more loving and caring than what they were in Paul's time. In those days, it was more idolatrous.

Next up: Corinthians.

I CORINTHIANS 6:9 Wrote:
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders


This is a mistranslation. Sorry guys. What Paul was really condemning was those who were effeminate and abusers of mankind. People have unmasked the homophobic undertones of this verse. The first word Malkos which in Greek is effeminate isn't taking about guys who act like women. Sorry but no. It's talking about those who lack any discipline or any moral control. The second word arsenokoitai which occurs once in Corinthians and once in Timothy, but it doesn't occur in any other book. It comes from two Greek words, one meaning male, the other being bed. It's a euphemism for sexual intercourse. There were other Greek words were commonly used to refer to homosexuality, however, but the don't appear in this book. Taking a closer look at Corinthians we can tell that Paul was actually concerned with Prostitutes, not Gays. However people have translated this verse, the problem is they did it incorrectly. Compared to the original Hebrew and Greek versions, this verse is completely different.


In short, there is no law, no condemnation or a sin against Homosexuality. There is nothing wrong with it. God is not against the current version of homosexuality. Many people who are Gay, Lesbian, Bi, Transgender, etc are not only in committed relationships but love each other like a straight couple would. What you guys are doing is wrongly judging homosexuals. Refer to Matthew 7:1.

Also, Paul made it very very clear in Galatians.

Galatians 5:14: "The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."



Stop listening to what your pastors teach you. Try taking about Hebrew and Greek in order to find out the true meaning of the Bible. Don't believe everything the Bible says at face value. Dig deeper into it. There is a lot more than what you see.

Haha....What planet are you living on? I've been keeping this silent because I don't want to disrespect, but are the only homos you've seen on tv? The ones I've come across are pretty typical: sleeping around, looking for love in all the wrong places....My cousin sleeps around like there's no tomorrow. The Drag queen I met and hang out with does too. Everytime I go in to visit him, he's got a different boyfriend.

How can you say that the majority of homosexual relationships are loving and caring when they're just like the rest of us: sluts and manwhores (whether its a known fact or not).

Sorry, i have to speak up. Firstly, No. As the first cocksucking sodomite to post in this thread I can honestly say that i'm not offended by the term "homo". f*****t (f**), Fairy, Fruit, Nancy, Pédé, these are offensive. Queer also to a lesser extent. Homo is an abreviation. Besides, if you're gonna kick IS off for use of offensive language you might as well bust me and Kimi out of here too. as for the topic up for discussion, i like that you have done the research but i'm pretty sure i already knew that there was nothing wrong with being bi. also yeah in Romans 1:26 we have the first referance of a lesbin in the bible. we know this because the men were all ******** at the time. also just before anyone jumps directly on the last sentence of '27 no the bible is not refering to HIV/AIDS there are plenty of other things you can get from putting something somewhere that nature technicaly didn't intend. I'm sorry to tell you though that the idolatry has not stopped you are both right the gay scene is rife with infidelty idolatry and promiscuity as well as equal parts loving monogamy kinda sounds alot like the straight comunity dosen't it?

men comited indecent acts wih other men. this looks about as straight forward (pardon the pun) as you can get. also that one in leviticus is a direct indictment against homosexual sex. and it matters not that christins do not have to follow jewish law because Paul was a jew. a very moraljew who used to kill christians incase any of you had forgotten. hewas raised jewish and thus his morality was closer to that of the old testiment you can pretty much tell how he feels about fags just by his upbringing.

I wasn't just talking about him. I was talking about every single homosexual I've come across with the exception of my best friend's mom and her partner.

Well the minority you speak of is the majority for me.

Wrong. neutral Your little "majority" do not speak for the rest of gays. neutral

Because your opinion is useless when facts are needed.