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 Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:27 am
Ya I'm not a christian as the title of the topic says (I'm Pagan in the event anyone wants to know)
Now i have a few questions for you all. Then come in order and I just need them answered as they are posted. Please don't attempt to convert me or I will be severely pissed at all of you for attempting such an act.
G-d is the creator of everything correct? This including Luciph-r and Adam and Eve correct?
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:34 am
God is the creator of everything. Including Ha-Satan, Adam and Eve. Lucifer is a fictional character created by John Milton.
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:10 am
W/e. Now God know everything that has and will happen correct?
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:17 am
I honestly don't know. Some people say he does, I have no clue.
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:23 am
Anyone know if he knows all and sees all?
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:26 am
I looks like someone is leading up to disprove genesis. Honestly learn something about symbolism in Judaism and re-read it interpreting the symbols. It makes much more sense that way than to see it as a historical telling of who we are. It's an allegory about who we are.
If you don't like that story check out the gnostic text, On the Origin of the World. It puts a radical twist on Genesis.
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:33 am
Um... Im not leading up to disprove Gensis i need to know if he knows all past present and future for my question to have relevance. If he doesnt then my question is answered and if he does then i need it answered.
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:54 am
Zslone2 Um... Im not leading up to disprove Gensis i need to know if he knows all past present and future for my question to have relevance. If he doesnt then my question is answered and if he does then i need it answered. What are you getting at with this? and yes God is omniscient.
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:52 pm
Ok. Now i understand why Create Satan as an angel and let me rebel because if G-d is good there needs to be an evil. But y let Adam and Eve eat the apple? Or did he just hope they would make the right choice? Cause i never understood y he didn't just kill the snake
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:20 pm
If I have an inheritance or great gift for my children, I would like to know that they could handle it wisely. To kill the enemies that might come upon them in the process and convince them to go against the grain (growing wisely) I would be killing a lot of jealous haters.
I believe that the tree of good and evil would have been offered to Adam and Eve after they were wise enough to handle the knowledge that came with it. If GOD had killed the snake, what would stop the next snake from coming in? I think it was important for them to learn the importance of obiedience from their maker as he has our best intrest at heart; In this case a matter of health, safety and a eternal life. And HE still did'nt give up on us we've been given a second chance. whee What do you think does it make sense?
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:32 pm
Zslone2 Ok. Now i understand why Create Satan as an angel and let me rebel because if G-d is good there needs to be an evil. But y let Adam and Eve eat the apple? Or did he just hope they would make the right choice? Cause i never understood y he didn't just kill the snake If you agree with the Eastern philosophies then yeah, there needs to be that balance between both what we perceive to be good and what we perceive to be evil. Free will. If we assume what I believe to be true, that God is omniscient but then take that to the next few levels that he is also omnipotent, and benevolent then this has to be a course that humanity must take.
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:55 pm
Ah. Well thank you and if anyone has any other ideas then please feel free to post.
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:59 pm
God indeed, created all. He spoke everything into being with the exception of Adam and Eve. He made Adam out of the dust of the ground and Eve from Adam's rib. Lucifer was God's right hand man, his body gurad so to speak. Lucifer got it in his head one day that he could be like God and rise above God's throne.
God Know everything that has happened and will happen. But just because He knows what will be does not mean that He has taken away our free will.
God created Lucifer becuase He loved Him. God let Adam and Eve eat the fruit because He loved them and He gave them free will.
The issue isn't whether or not God needed a balance between good and evil. The issue is the matter of free will. Without free will, there can be no love. All of God's creatures have free will because He is a loving God. God is Love. People may argue the point by holding up the Old Testament, but how many times did God tell people that He loved them in the OT? (I don't know, but it was a lot and you can't make me go count it).
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:30 pm
Maybe VK or someone can give correct me if this is wrong on this. Eastern Orthodox view on Creation - 4Truth.net Doctrine of Creation According to Eastern Orthodoxy, the universe was created by a loving act of God. God created that which is not God. The creation possessed a nature distinct from God's. Yet, God's creation was blameless and deserving of His love. God not only gives created beings their structure and variety, but He also gives them their energy. Through the process of creation, God has given His creatures their own energy. These beliefs form the basis of the Orthodox hypothesis of the "double movement." According to the double movement theory, God moves toward creation through the incarnation of the divine Logos. Creation naturally moves toward, not away from Him. In time, this movement toward God will end in creation partaking in the energies of God. As a result of moving toward God, perfection or deification is attained. Eastern Orthodoxy believes that Adam was created as a child. They believe he was not a mature being and only possessed the capacity for perfection. Because of this view, Orthodoxy does not view the fall of humanity as seriously as evangelicals do. For the Orthodox, the problem of sin is not as grave as Western Christians assert. Orthodox theologians support this notion of sin by differentiating between person and nature. They reason that though humanity possesses the freedom to sin through an act of the will, humanity's nature is to be in communion with God. Because of this nature, people naturally proceed toward fellowship with God. According to the Orthodox, the sin of Adam and Eve affected only themselves. Their descendants inherited no sin or guilt because of the fall of the first parents. The fall resulted in their descendants becoming mortal and subject to physical death. This mortality resulted in an increased tendency to sin, but only because humanity was subject to physical needs. Humanity's mortality makes people prone to sin. The sin of Adam and Eve created a barrier of mortality between God and humanity. Only God could do away with this barrier. God removed this obstacle through the incarnation of Christ.
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