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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:08 am
Since this is a guild about promoting religious tolerance I figured address what religious bigotry is should be a priority. Now what is religious bigotry? We shall start by defining what the word "bigot" mean: Merriam-Webster * Main Entry: big·ot * Pronunciation: ˈbi-gət * Function: noun * Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot * Date: 1660 : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance Now when the adjective "religious" to this word we get the a this: A person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices toward (a) religion; especially : one who regards or treats the members of (a) religion(s) with hatred and intolerance. So here is some questions to ponder on: What do you consider to personally be religious bigotry? Are there any beliefs or practices you would be against could be considered religious bigotry? 1. For me the definition pretty much sums it up. 2. The practices of the Frosts who advocate child rape and also culture rape are things I could be considered bigoted against. I do not believe this to be bigotry though because these practices manipulate the will of a subordinate and thus bigoted toward the person in the lower status, i.e. the child and it advocates academic/cultural dishonesty (The Frosts are not Wicca and did not create Wicca as they claim to have)
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:13 am
Are you opposed to their religion, or are you opposed to their action? As far as I know not everyone who joins their witch school and follows their religion considers those particular rituals okay.
In other words, are those rituals an essential part of the practise of that religion?
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:12 am
Sanguina Cruenta Are you opposed to their religion, or are you opposed to their action? As far as I know not everyone who joins their witch school and follows their religion considers those particular rituals okay. In other words, are those rituals an essential part of the practise of that religion? Yes the rituals are necessary but its not the rituals I have a problem with. Its that they advocate that sexual initiation with a minor that has drank a whole glass of Mead is an alright to do and try to add validity to this claim in that this has always been true about Wicca and that they created Wicca. We know that their claims to the title of Wicca to be false.
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:43 am
Hmm. I guess I would say that I'm bigotted against religions that advocate animal sacrifice yet leave it up to the individual members to decide how the animal is ultimately killed and how she was treated before being killed. I don't value mere existence much, so I'm (relatively) alright with the killing part, but what gives you the right to treat an animal horribly her entire life, starve her, beat her, give her no shelter, and then kill her in an unnecessarily painful way? Because your god tells you to? I've been told many times I should be more understanding, but I honestly don't think this is a stance I'll ever change.
As far as what I consider religious bigotry to be, personal biases aside, I would say that the definition you provided pretty much sums it up.
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:12 am
Hmm, animal sacrifice doesn't really bother me. I mean I'm no vegetarian so we kill animals all the time just for food. Although I agree it's probably not too cool to abuse the animal in its lifetime.
I wouldn't consider myself completely bigoted against any specific religion, but I often times don't agree with a lot of the beliefs and world views they hold.
For example Catholicism preaches abstinence before marriage and well I blew that one years ago. xd Also I am prone to using protection as well which I also believe they are against although most likely not enforced to any extreme.
I certainly don't agree with raping little kids either, so the Frosts, or whoever they are sound like scum that needs to seriously be addressed.
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:55 pm
To me, religious bigotry is....mindless hatred of a faith. Almost compulsively hating.
I'm with rmcdra; I would probably be seen as being bigoted towards the practices of the Frosts. I guess I could also be seen as bigoted against the whole "Accept deity X or suffer in place Y" concept. I don't accept it. But I am not intolerant of those who adhere to that particular belief
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Violet Song jat Shariff Crew
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:06 pm
I agree with both Vivi and rmcdra. I see religious bigotry moreso within the same religion being Christianity moreso than Paganism or any other religion. I've seen Christians attacking Catholics, Protestants, Mormons, etc and claiming that these groups aren't Christian and are going to hell if they don't accept Christ.
It just seems to me that people believe whatever crap someone who is high in power tell them what to say and whatnot. It just pisses me off that they neglect the fact that what makes a Christian is the belief in Christ. They need to stop sounding off the blasted bagpipes.
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:30 pm
Violet Song jat Shariff To me, religious bigotry is....mindless hatred of a faith. Almost compulsively hating.I'm with rmcdra; I would probably be seen as being bigoted towards the practices of the Frosts. I guess I could also be seen as bigoted against the whole "Accept deity X or suffer in place Y" concept. I don't accept it. But I am not intolerant of those who adhere to that particular belief This.
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:29 pm
I agree with everyone who said they would seem bigoted against the Frosts. I guess I would say that some of the Christian people in my area [no offence.. just stating what they're like here.. not trying to attack anybody] have a mild form of being religious bigots, for thinking that non-Christians are going to suffer in hell, get the plague, etc.
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:45 pm
It's as you said. I don't think there's anything bigoted about holding true to your beliefs. Now, I hope no one will be mad at me for it, but I really don't think that thinking what I believe is the one truth is bigoted. If I ran around saying it I would believe so, but I don't. I simply said it here because sometimes people will say that.
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:57 pm
I would like to comment on something here. There are individuals of particular religions who believe that there is eternal suffering after death if one doesn't worship deity X or is a member of religion Y. While I do not agree with this view, this is something I can tolerate because it's what they know, either through faith in their personal gnosis of this or what they were taught by their tradition or teachers.
What I am not okay with is using this view as justification to belittle someone because they do not wish to worship deity X or become a member of religion Y. It is when this view breeds arrogance in those that worship deity X or are a member of religion Y endorses and they forget that they are people just like those that are outside of their covenant with deity X or membership in religion Y.
I guess I tolerate it because there was a point in my life that I used to be such a person. I often find myself bitter toward people that hold the above mentioned view but as of late I've been seeing that holding on to such bitterness toward such individuals breeds arrogance within myself and I become like that which I am bitter against. It's a struggle to treat this view as water off a duck's back but my path requires that I take such a stance.
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:28 am
I think the word refers to people who cannot learn or understand the practices or beliefs of the other religion, and would rather cling to their flawed misunderstandings.
I disapprove of the Frosts and those who put their ideas into practice. However having read the rituals in question, they make sense in context. Were our cultures different I doubt we would have a problem with it. Having been raised in the culture I was, I find it unpalatable and offensive to my values. And of course those practices break the law, harm children, and I do not think they should be practised.
I have a problem with Scientology, and not really because of their beliefs. Because of all the other things.
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Violet Song jat Shariff Crew
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:10 pm
rmcdra What I am not okay with is using this view as justification to belittle someone because they do not wish to worship deity X or become a member of religion Y. It is when this view breeds arrogance in those that worship deity X or are a member of religion Y endorses and they forget that they are people just like those that are outside of their covenant with deity X or membership in religion Y. This is what I meant. I've been particularly inarticulate lately xp .
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:50 pm
Violet Song jat Shariff rmcdra What I am not okay with is using this view as justification to belittle someone because they do not wish to worship deity X or become a member of religion Y. It is when this view breeds arrogance in those that worship deity X or are a member of religion Y endorses and they forget that they are people just like those that are outside of their covenant with deity X or membership in religion Y. This is what I meant. I've been particularly inarticulate lately xp . Sorry if it seemed like I singled you out. I know what you meant so I used your format to help make this post. I just wanted to address this so this thread didn't become a bash on religion X, Y, and/or Z thread. It was mainly to discuss what is tolerance exactly is because there seems to be multiple interpretations for this word. Edit: Word Correction
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:36 am
rmcdra So here is some questions to ponder on: What do you consider to personally be religious bigotry? Merriam-webster gave a definition largely in-line with my understanding of the word. I do have some modifications, however. A person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to e's own opinions and prejudices in regards to religion whom views contradictory opinions and prejudices towards religion, and, often, the holders of these, with hatred or intolerance.I view the hatred or intolerance an integral part of the label 'bigot.' Quote: Are there any beliefs or practices you would be against could be considered religious bigotry? I am intolerant of the Westboro Baptist Church and similar religious organizations. Their bigotry inspires a revulsion in me. I would hesitate to say that I have hatred towards them, though. I am intolerant of the Frosts in that I do not wish for them to have the legal right to practice an integral part of their religion. I do not have hatred towards them, though. Muslim and Christian extremists* (I have not heard of Jewish extremists. Do they exist?) I am intolerant of. * Terrorists, those who seek genocide, those who seek forcible conversion, etc. I am intolerant* to some muslim legal practices, such as the ones that kill a person for turning their backs on Islam and those that kill for such a reason as adultery or homosexuality. * Here, I define intolerance as not wishing for it to be legal that such things are legal. Due to National Autonomy, and the slippery slope that is inherent in one nation involving itself in another, I would not necessarily support forcibly changing these practices. It would just bring me joy should these practices be overturned, especially if done so in a peaceful manner.
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