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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:10 pm
I am curious as to what other's ideas are for this subject. Is it measured by IQ? If not, how much is measured by IQ? How do we measure what is not measured by one's IQ?
Personally, I belive an IQ is a group of numbers that merely display an educated guess of how well you'll do in school. The most accurate IQ's are the ones with pictures that work up from simple puzzles to harder ones. The most bogus IQ tests are the silly Internet ones that teenagers take to try to show everyone how smart they are.
May I display a much loved quote by a scientist whose name I fail to recall:
Reporter: What is your IQ?
Scientist: I have no idea. People who boast about their IQ's are losers.
I so enjoy this quote because it is entertaining, and I also have no idea what my IQ is.
However, an IQ does, indeed, accurately seem to depics how well one does in school, but I do not consider that the same as intelligence.
Well then, how is intelligence actually measured? You have probably heard the idea many times, but I believe intelligence is measured by the number of questions we ask.
To ask someone a question and have them answer does not display intelligence because it merely shows that they have learn to vomit information that has been told to them. To ask unique questions requires an advanced thought process. No one can teach you how to ask questions.
The point of this thread is to have a thesis, develop an antithesis, and evolve a synthesis. You may mingle your thesis and antithesis or throw your antithesis out completely, but at least you have now heard the other side. =D
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:34 pm
[boo's guild]
This is fascinating.
However, what the ******** are antithesises and subthesises?
gonk
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:23 pm
Behold a masterpiece created from paint in sixty seconds!!! Whoops, that was actually supposed to be "synthesis" instead of "subthesis." At least I was only two letters off. ^^' Anyways!  Thesis + Antithesis = Synthesis Your thesis is your overall first opinion. An antithesis is created from experience or hearing another person's idea. Your first idea, the ideas you hear, and your personal experience combine to form a synthesis, your final thought. Example! After taking an 8:00 class, you realize: Thesis: 8AM classes are horrible because I am tired and cannot concentrate. After putting up with the class for a while and having a class later on, say, at 1, you decide: Antithesis: Taking 8AM classes is alright because I can stay awake until my next class, and I get a lot done in that time. Unfortunately, you might flass asleep in that interval between 8 and 1 if you are so tired. You eventually develop your synthesis. Synthesis: Taking 8AM classes is okay as long as I can stay awake until my next class. Over time, you continue to develop a synthesis and antithesis until you finish your education and have to get up at 8AM every day of your life. LOLOL! I do hope it makes more sense now!
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:52 pm
There's really no way for me to answer this without sounding arrogant, but i don't really care. :/ For starters, I don't really think IQ tests are a good measure of intelligence. I personally don't know my IQ, but whatever. Intelligence something that can't be measured by a single test. One of 4 things I would use to measure intelligence is, of course, academic performance. I am one of those people who "vomits" facts. I memorize entire passages of textbooks. Capacity to retain information is a sign of intelligence. "Lazy geniuses" piss me off. BUT i also think application of knowledge is imporant. Yeah, i have a 4.0 gpa, but i haven't an ounce of common sense. So i don't think I'm intelligent. Not in the holistic sense. I study hard and i get good grades. i hate people. i hate socializing. idiots frustrate me. i can't function in social situations. OH a third factor of measuring intelligence would be oratory skills. i believe that without that vital skill, one is ******** a fourth and final factor is self-sufficiency. i know it's not rocket science, but i beg to differ anyway. Sorry, it's friday. i might flesh this out later if i have time.
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Princess Volupine Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:35 pm
Let it be known that Centronias is fantasticly intelligent.
School performance is not a particularly good indicator of intellegence, for one because it incluldes a degree of responsibility, which is not related to intelligence. It is also dependent on outside circumstances, such as attendence, subjective evalutation, and others.
For example, I tend to forget assignments, regardless of how easyily or not I could complete them. Because of this, my GPA goes down, when my intellegence has done nothing.
Also, CB, who I go to school with, if people didn't already know, was out of school a lot last year due to chronic illness, and she failed (I think.) english, simply because she could not keep up with the work assigned.
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On the topic of IQ: IQ is an abbreviation for Intellegence Quotient. It is one out of (I'm not sure here, and I can't find specifics) about 4 quotients which measure different capacities of the mind. The capacities include intellegence, spirituality, and emotion.
These different quotients represent the differences between things like book smarts and street smarts, or more exactly, the capacity to learn things about science, versus empathy with emotions, or spiritual understanding.
IQ, though, has to represent something because data like this implies that IQ is not something totally random.
Because the quotients are capacities, people who have high quotients are not necisarily outwwardsly intelligent. At the same time, people who are normally called idiot savants, are not truely intelligent, but they have just taken in great enough informataion and can just regurgitate it back out that they can seem amazingly intelligent without having any real input of their own.
Anything else, dears?
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:40 pm
Centronias At the same time, people who are normally called idiot savants, are not truely intelligent, but they have just taken in great enough informataion and can just regurgitate it back out that they can seem amazingly intelligent without having any real input of their own. [boo's guild]
Nothing else darling.
I was just reading your regurgitated information
;o
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:47 pm
Thanks. You know how much I do.
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:38 am
Muchly nice suggestions! I agree that being able to retain information is a sight of intelligence, but, naturally, doesn't mean one is intelligent, as I'm sure you mentioned. Another factor of intelligence could possibly be is one can spell correctly and does not use run-on sentences constantly =o!!! (I'm talking about myself, mind you =D) Haha, I'm a sucky English major!
IQ tests would indeed be more efficient in that curve, testing those four abilities. However, almost all IQ tests I've seen are not accurate, so I have not bothered with them. After all, how much is a number and a paragraph going to display? Nothing, I tell you! XP
Ex. OMG jor IQ is 146! You are a genious and probably have theories about whatnot and bla bla something about being interested in art and science.
Was an Internet IQ score, which I've mostly forgotten, of some person that kept lording it over people for reasons I do not know. I simple wish to display that an IQ is misleading, yupyup!
Oh, but I still do believe that asking questions is the most important factor of being able to think for one's self.
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Princess Volupine Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:05 am
captains bootie [boo's guild]
Nothing else darling.
I was just reading your regurgitated information
;o LOL @ Boo!
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:36 pm
[boo's guild]
Princess: LOL inorite? <3
Follower:
Since I fail at this format you have, I'm just going to join the discussion.
I do believe that there is some truth to the IQ test, it measures some basic skills, but I don't think there is any way to measure the true intelligence of a person.
I know there are different sorts of 'intelligences', which is very fascinating... but thats too off topic.
And asking questions, I hardly ever ask questions because it makes me feel stupid. I feel like if I don't know the answer, I'm an idiot. Centronias can tell you how I have issues when he uses words that I don't know. It's pathetic. So, I tend to go look for the answer on my own, wether it be on google or in a library, I'll go figure it out myself, and if I can't find the answer, then I'll ask about it. I don't see myself as being anywhere near smart at all, in any way. I think I'm a complete idiot, but most people, like teachers and students who work close with me think I'm brilliant.
So in the end, it's not just asking questions, it's the need to learn, and if one follows through on investigating upon things that they do not know. 
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:46 pm
I believe that CB has high emotional smarts and spiritual smarts. 8D
See what I did there? I commented. Because friends make comments, not mean ironics, to eachother.
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:41 am
True dat!
I'm taking about questions that cannot be answered through usual means.
Ex.
What is the meaning of life?
What makes the apple fall from the tree?
Why are there poor people in the world?
Basically, adding a "why" to something.
Why is poo brown?
Why do paper companies stink?
Why do paper companies use chemicals that stink?
Why can't paper companies use chemicals that don't stink?
Okay, so most of these can be answered by normal means and I know the answer to most of them, but bla anyway =D
Actually, different intelligences is completely on topic.
There is artistic intelligence, musical intelligence, mathematical intelligence, ect.
One reason I made this thread was because of a genious.
Why was he a genious? Actually, he was a retard. He could not remember his name or his age. He could not count or do anything that you or I would consider intelligent. So, why was he a genious? Because he was a musical genious; a Mozart. I suppose people would argue that he is not intelligent at all, but I would argue the opposite. ^^
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 1:31 pm
[boo's guild]
Charles, it all depends on my mood, on making comments, vs saying mean ironics
but you know I love you <3
and thank you, I would agree,
I think you have high spiritual and accademic smarts :]
Follower: yes, always asking why. Thats like me, my parents go crazy when I watch the science, history, nat geo, etc, channels, cause when they answer a question I'm all 'how do they know that?' 'why does that happen'. If I get an answer, I continue asking 'why did that happen?' and I never quit asking..
the guy was genius in musical intelligences, but lacked others. Like autistic people. It's like normal people have a suitcase with a ton of things in it, the suitcase is your brain, the items are everything you know about. But this guy/autistic people, take out everything except maybe the toothpaste. That is what is in their brain. So they don't know much, but the sure know a lot about toothpaste.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:41 am
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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:10 pm
i think intelligence on it's own isn't really worth very much. If you think about a computer, able to make fast calculations and store vast amounts of information etc, you might be able to consider the computer an "intelligent" machine, but at the end of the day it is still just a machine. An intelligent person, as i'm sure we all know, doesn't mean a good person. I think the missing element in many cases is wisdom. It takes wisdom, i think, to be able to use intelligence in any sort of productive way. To be self aware, non reactive, level headed, to understand the emotional element of humanity and make responsible decisions all take wisdom. Otherwise, all you have is an intelligent person with no substance. just another computer that exists without any real significance.
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