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 Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:44 pm
That's right kiddies, today we're going to discuss the many, many, many theories, both in cannon and in fandom and that strange yet fascinating place where the two meet, on the subject of how Cybertronians Reproduce.
Not just the dirty, kinky stuff either. I'm also interested in discussing child rearing and family structures if any, as well as relationships among the species.
I've heard a LOT of theories but none that can strictly claim to be entirely accurate according to cannon as to my knowledge no one comic, cartoon, or any company producing them has ever come right out and said,"This is how is it done!" In fact, they seem to change the method with each universe.
Everything from Spark Sharing to produce a New Spark, from the All Spark theory, Protoforms, and the Assembly Line. All theories of reproduction are open for debate and discussion. And somewhere in between lies the truth!...Kind of...Not really...No...THERE IS NO TRUTH! But it's still fun to pretend! twisted
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:28 am
i start the same tread some time back
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 6:08 am
I think it's some of the things combined. I mean like this: Primus created the first thirteen transfromers and then made himself locked in planet form for them to live on. The First thirteen transformers used their own sparks to create the All Spark, which in turn created more transformers. The first thirteen transformers died doing this. The other new transformers (Who were in protoform) Created more transformers by Spark Sharing.
And that's my reproduction theory. I have no care what-so-ever for the assembly line or the stupid squid people.
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:53 am
BogiePop i start the same tread some time back
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:20 am
I have thought about this a long time, and probably too much, but here is my theory on the subject.
There are three main ways to create a spark: 1) The most popular on Cybertron, Spark Merge.2) Usually only preformed by Casset Masters, though can be done by anyone, The Single-Spark Birth 3) Difficult to do, and quite like Single-Spark Birthing, is the Allspark-AssistedAnd here I elaborate! Whenever a spark is created, it has a equal and opposite match; it's spark-mate. The bond between Spark-mates is almost as strong as that between Spark-Twins (Like Sunny and Sides) and possibly stronger than the Creator-Created bond.
That bond is neccessary to create a Sparkling. On Cybertron there are three levels of what humans would consider 'sex'. There is interface, where data cables are strung between the participants (as many as you would want, and they don't have to have any relationship) and jolts are relayed along the line. Then there is Spark-Merge. It is even more intimate than interface (which is intimate enough, though some in bad area's of Cybertron... well, you get the picture, I'm sure.) and involves brushing one another's sparks against each other. Because of the feilds surrounding a Transformers spark, this can only happen between Spark-mates, but does not result in a sparkling. The one we are talking about here is the Spark-Bond, there Spark-Mates merge their sparks together, resulting in a very 'wow' experience (I dislike talking about these things) a spark-bond, letting them feel the emotions and thoughts of each-other through their sparks, and rarely, a Spark.
Here is where the Femme-Mech difference is: A Mech-Mech Bondmate pair would have a 25% chance of creating a sparkling from this union- it's possible, but it takes a lot of tries. Thankfully they live a long time. A Femme-Mech pair has a 40% chance of sparking after a Bond, though, because a Femme's spark has extra energy and spark-chamber room, making it more likely that a spark will be created. Though there has never been one (due to the fact only 10% of the Cybertronian population is Femme [Because of the war, the numbers are skewed, but 10% is the ratio from the Golden Age]) a Femme-Femme bond would create sparklings 100% of the time.
After conception, a spark has a gestation period of anywhere from three orns (calculating to the equivalent of a period of three days for a human, though the actual time is about a year) to two joors (two years, or the age of Planet Earth). The reason for the discrepany is because in times of danger or shortage, the spark-bearer can cut energy to the spark, putting it into stasis so it would survive until it was safe. Not many Cybertronians know this anymore, maybe just Prime and Ratchet?
When the Spark is mature, it is transfered to a spark body, where it can mature. After three vorns, it gets it's first upgrade. There would be five upgrades in a spark's 'childhood': Sparkling stage 2, Youngling stage 1, Youngling stage 2, Youngling stage 3, and Adult. After Youngling stage 1, a youngling can transform. In between stages sparklings and younglings grow slowly, and there is a large growth spurt after each uprade. a Creator-Created bond is supposed to last until Youngling stage 3.
The family dynamics of a Transformer Family are much the same as a human one, with one big difference: there is usually only one creation at a time, and because of the Matrix holding all sparks that will ever be born, there is technically no relation between co-creations, or creators and their sparklings. The emotional bonds, however, hold the families together as tight as if there were.An Allspark-Assisted Birth removes the gestation period and bonding thing from the equation, skipping directly to spark tranfer. The hopeful creator builds a frame for a sparkling and brings it to the Allspark. If Primus/the Allspark believes that they are ready, the Allspark will fill the frame with energy, and also a spark from the Matrix. The sparkling will grow up just like a normal one, with a big difference: Becuase the creator is not bonded to the sparkling, it is possible for them to hurt or abandon the sparkling. It does not happen often, but it is still possible. Another thing is, is that if any device was brought into the area around the Allspark without a spark signature close to it, (for example, a datapad) it could be zapped and turned into a sparkling. Thankfully, Cybertronian Orphanages are very good, and those sparklings usually can get transferred into a bigger frame after a few orns.The last one, a Single-Spark birth is dangerous and can only be undergone by a strong mech or a Cassette Master, and for good reason. Like the Allspark-Assisted birth, there is no gestation or anything, just a frame needs to be provided. The creator will usually go to a medic for this procedure, but it can be done by hand. To make something complicated and painful simple, it is really like this: the creator has a peice of his spark sheared off with a special tool, and transfers it into the frame. The peice of spark transfigures into a different spark signature. That is about too simple, though, because it is an excruciatingly painful process. The sparkling will then grow like a normal one, but in this case, it will have a Creator-Created bond. If the creator is a Cassette Master, then they will not ever get very big, being a cassette, and will always have a Creator-Created bond. So what do you think? *begs for your thoughts*
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:20 pm
What about Marvel comics Budding? The proccess creating a second life from the first. No assistance from any outside influences.
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:23 pm
Hino Recca What about Marvel comics Budding? The proccess creating a second life from the first. No assistance from any outside influences. So they'd reproduce like Spongebob? oof, Animated Starscream ain't gonna like the sound of that.
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:02 am
Yamato1 Hino Recca What about Marvel comics Budding? The proccess creating a second life from the first. No assistance from any outside influences. So they'd reproduce like Spongebob? oof, Animated Starscream ain't gonna like the sound of that.
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:41 pm
Hino Recca What about Marvel comics Budding? The proccess creating a second life from the first. No assistance from any outside influences.
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:07 am
My vote totally goes for "all of the above."
Mmm, fanon, I love you. heart
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:45 am
Do you think Cybertronians would be a species who have sex for pleasure or purely for reproduction?
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:51 am
Pumkinn Do you think Cybertronians would be a species who have sex for pleasure or purely for reproduction? It's quite possible. Though I doubt what we consider "sex" would realistically be the same for them. I mean, sure, people can imagine Starscream with a massive... yeah, but realistically, they would have no need for those sort of organs. It's complicated with a species that is made entirely of sentient machines. Do they reproduce with sex at all? who knows. Oh yeah. I never typed my theory. I consider the idea of "spark-merging", Except for the whole "fem-fem 100%" ratio. Consider this... the current population of the female population only seems like 10%, but it is hinted at that other "cells" of females exist. Also, If spark-merging were to be a viable theory for reproduction, then it would stand to reason that a "male" spark and a "female" spark would both contribute something unique to the fledgling spark. This is something I subscribe too. No, I'm not a gay-hater. I am just sort of translating the idea of DNA in a breeding sense. Granted, it's not the same thing, but since a Spark is basically a transformers Soul, what's to say such a thing isn't viable? The Cybertronians must have branched off into Male and Female for a reason, right? (I'm not counting IDW's idea of fems.. while their take on TF is pretty awesome, I prefer the idea that females were there from the start. Also not counting Marvel's take on the birth of Arcee) Male Sparks, with their "Y half", and Females, with their "X half", would contain the highest chance of forming a complete and stable spark. This would also account for the fact that new Transformers don't appear during the course of the Great War. Yes, under that system, mech-mech COULD theoretically produce new sparks, but... I could see Optimus kinda putting the kibosh on that, with the idea that "This war is the worst that our race has ever, and hopefully WILL ever have to endure... I don't want to bring new sparks into this conflict... perhaps one day, when there is peace, and we can reunite with our opposites on Cybertron, but... until then.." Yeah. Though this could also explain how the Dinobots developed Sparks. Though I'm sure Wheeljack probably just implanted the minimum into them. (after a slag-load of explosions XD ))
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:13 pm
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:10 am
Pumkinn Do you think Cybertronians would be a species who have sex for pleasure or purely for reproduction?
Plug'n'play FTW! rofl
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