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 Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:49 pm
I've heard many express the need for religious tolerance in the world,
I've heard many take the opposite route and express the need to get rid of all religions in order to make the world a better place.
What is religious tolerance? Is religious tolerance important? What if Religious tolerance means that you must tolerate something you deem morally heinous (if the Ancient Aztecs were still out there sacrificing humans to the Gods, should that be tolerated by those of other beliefs)?
What are your thoughts and opinions on this topic?
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:21 pm
I wonder myself, Is Religious Tolerance even possible? Some religions, such as Muslim, say not to Tolerate heresy or the worship of other gods. Muslim isn't the only religion either, so many of them say it and I'm not even sure which ones do or don't. To allow a person to go against god because their god says it's fine is a big thing. People could get away with what we consider crime because their god told them to. To ask religions to ignore each other is impossible, such as how so many religions fight over the promised land in the middle east.
But then the other side is to use Darwinism on religion. (Ironic.) The strongest religion will survive and will then be considered right. But not everybody agrees on everything, so anything like that would be destroyed immediately.
It boils down to man has his opinion and will fight tooth and nail for it. If someone else disagrees, there will be a struggle to see who is right. It's tragic, but we will forever be divided, until the day that we all suffer the same fate, we will never set aside our differences for the common good, because there is no common good, a good we all agree upon. All we can do is show love, not hate. Only Love can give birth to good, not hate.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:16 pm
VivoDePyre I wonder myself, Is Religious Tolerance even possible? Some religions, such as Muslim, say not to Tolerate heresy or the worship of other gods. Muslim isn't the only religion either, so many of them say it and I'm not even sure which ones do or don't. To allow a person to go against god because their god says it's fine is a big thing. People could get away with what we consider crime because their god told them to. To ask religions to ignore each other is impossible, such as how so many religions fight over the promised land in the middle east. But then the other side is to use Darwinism on religion. (Ironic.) The strongest religion will survive and will then be considered right. But not everybody agrees on everything, so anything like that would be destroyed immediately. I agree with much of what you said although I think it's important to continually try to make the world a better place even it seems foreboding. It boils down to man has his opinion and will fight tooth and nail for it. If someone else disagrees, there will be a struggle to see who is right. It's tragic, but we will forever be divided, until the day that we all suffer the same fate, we will never set aside our differences for the common good, because there is no common good, a good we all agree upon. All we can do is show love, not hate. Only Love can give birth to good, not hate. I've been thinking about it some more and the only form of religious tolerance should come out of the most basic of basic human rights. As a person, each individual has the right to believe whatever they want to and that should extend to being able to freely worship whatever they want to but you can't infringe on any individuals right to free speech as well, if someone doesn't like a certain aspect of a religion than fine, as long as they are not promoting the use of violence (mental/emotional/physical) than they should be able to do so and in the US we're as far as I know allowed to. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is I think people sometimes take the whole religious tolerance thing a bit too far.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:40 pm
If it goes against the word of GOD I avoid it. In my line of work I did'nt have a choice.I did'n allow it to interfere in my belief. There are some that will never believe the way Christians do and as a result all I can do is pray about it, and continue to stand for what I do know.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:27 pm
VivoDePyre I wonder myself, Is Religious Tolerance even possible? Some religions, such as Muslim, say not to Tolerate heresy or the worship of other gods. Muslim isn't the only religion either, so many of them say it and I'm not even sure which ones do or don't. To allow a person to go against god because their god says it's fine is a big thing. People could get away with what we consider crime because their god told them to. To ask religions to ignore each other is impossible, such as how so many religions fight over the promised land in the middle east. Not Muslim, Islam is the word you are looking for. This is also not quite right. Islam is much much more loving and understanding than we give it credit for. Having spent much time in two Islamic countries and one secular country with 99.9 percent of the population being Muslim, I can tell you right now that what you are describing is strictly cultural and is not relating to Islam as a whole but a very very small percentage of radicals. I love Islam. Muslims are incredibly loving and beautiful, it saddens me that there are so many misconceptions.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:29 pm
quietstorm 2 If it goes against the word of GOD I avoid it. In my line of work I did'nt have a choice.I did'n allow it to interfere in my belief. There are some that will never believe the way Christians do and as a result all I can do is pray about it, and continue to stand for what I do know. What would go against the word of G-d? Let's use me as an example. I'm a lesbian, I swear, I will drink, I occasionally take drugs, I don't believe ha-Satan is evil, I don't believe in Original Sin, I loathe Christians who quote the Tanakh and misuse it to support their own bigotry, I deny Jesus as my personal saviour. Am I someone who you will avoid? Will you pray for me? But I'm religious, devoutly so.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:46 pm
VivoDePyre I wonder myself, Is Religious Tolerance even possible? Some religions, such as Muslim, say not to Tolerate heresy or the worship of other gods. Muslim isn't the only religion either, so many of them say it and I'm not even sure which ones do or don't. To allow a person to go against god because their god says it's fine is a big thing. People could get away with what we consider crime because their god told them to. To ask religions to ignore each other is impossible, such as how so many religions fight over the promised land in the middle east. But then the other side is to use Darwinism on religion. (Ironic.) The strongest religion will survive and will then be considered right. But not everybody agrees on everything, so anything like that would be destroyed immediately. It boils down to man has his opinion and will fight tooth and nail for it. If someone else disagrees, there will be a struggle to see who is right. It's tragic, but we will forever be divided, until the day that we all suffer the same fate, we will never set aside our differences for the common good, because there is no common good, a good we all agree upon. All we can do is show love, not hate. Only Love can give birth to good, not hate. I think God is bigger than man's petty squabbles over what his favorite brand of soap is or who his favorite kid is, or what gender he takes most of the time. I think that if we distill our worldly religion into the very basics, we find the same thing at the core- A divine power with very simple, very basic rules.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:28 pm
In Medias Res IV quietstorm 2 If it goes against the word of GOD I avoid it. In my line of work I did'nt have a choice.I did'n allow it to interfere in my belief. There are some that will never believe the way Christians do and as a result all I can do is pray about it, and continue to stand for what I do know. What would go against the word of G-d? Let's use me as an example. I'm a lesbian, I swear, I will drink, I occasionally take drugs, I don't believe ha-Satan is evil, I don't believe in Original Sin, I loathe Christians who quote the Tanakh and misuse it to support their own bigotry, I deny Jesus as my personal saviour. Am I someone who you will avoid? Will you pray for me? But I'm religious, devoutly so. For me personally, I don't agree with your choice of life style, but if that's what makes you happy go for it. I wouldn't avoid you, you might actually be a nice person (since I've never met you, I don't know what you're like. sweatdrop ) Also it's not my place to judge you, nor to condemn you. I never would do that. And yes I would pray for you. I just wouldn't do it to the point that would make you uncomfortable.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:48 pm
Shadows-shine In Medias Res IV quietstorm 2 If it goes against the word of GOD I avoid it. In my line of work I did'nt have a choice.I did'n allow it to interfere in my belief. There are some that will never believe the way Christians do and as a result all I can do is pray about it, and continue to stand for what I do know. What would go against the word of G-d? Let's use me as an example. I'm a lesbian, I swear, I will drink, I occasionally take drugs, I don't believe ha-Satan is evil, I don't believe in Original Sin, I loathe Christians who quote the Tanakh and misuse it to support their own bigotry, I deny Jesus as my personal saviour. Am I someone who you will avoid? Will you pray for me? But I'm religious, devoutly so. For me personally, I don't agree with your choice of life style, but if that's what makes you happy go for it. I wouldn't avoid you, you might actually be a nice person (since I've never met you, I don't know what you're like. sweatdrop ) Also it's not my place to judge you, nor to condemn you. I never would do that. And yes I would pray for you. I just wouldn't do it to the point that would make you uncomfortable. W-W-A-I-T My.. choice? I wonder how long it will be before I get kicked out of this guild, but dammit, I don't remember when I CHOSE to be gay.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:53 pm
In Medias Res IV Shadows-shine In Medias Res IV quietstorm 2 If it goes against the word of GOD I avoid it. In my line of work I did'nt have a choice.I did'n allow it to interfere in my belief. There are some that will never believe the way Christians do and as a result all I can do is pray about it, and continue to stand for what I do know. What would go against the word of G-d? Let's use me as an example. I'm a lesbian, I swear, I will drink, I occasionally take drugs, I don't believe ha-Satan is evil, I don't believe in Original Sin, I loathe Christians who quote the Tanakh and misuse it to support their own bigotry, I deny Jesus as my personal saviour. Am I someone who you will avoid? Will you pray for me? But I'm religious, devoutly so. For me personally, I don't agree with your choice of life style, but if that's what makes you happy go for it. I wouldn't avoid you, you might actually be a nice person (since I've never met you, I don't know what you're like. sweatdrop ) Also it's not my place to judge you, nor to condemn you. I never would do that. And yes I would pray for you. I just wouldn't do it to the point that would make you uncomfortable. W-W-A-I-T My.. choice? I wonder how long it will be before I get kicked out of this guild, but dammit, I don't remember when I CHOSE to be gay. Be fair... you talked about a whole slew of things which are choices (swearing, drinking, drugs, etc)... don't be so quick to claim offense.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:59 pm
Nebulance In Medias Res IV Shadows-shine In Medias Res IV quietstorm 2 If it goes against the word of GOD I avoid it. In my line of work I did'nt have a choice.I did'n allow it to interfere in my belief. There are some that will never believe the way Christians do and as a result all I can do is pray about it, and continue to stand for what I do know. What would go against the word of G-d? Let's use me as an example. I'm a lesbian, I swear, I will drink, I occasionally take drugs, I don't believe ha-Satan is evil, I don't believe in Original Sin, I loathe Christians who quote the Tanakh and misuse it to support their own bigotry, I deny Jesus as my personal saviour. Am I someone who you will avoid? Will you pray for me? But I'm religious, devoutly so. For me personally, I don't agree with your choice of life style, but if that's what makes you happy go for it. I wouldn't avoid you, you might actually be a nice person (since I've never met you, I don't know what you're like. sweatdrop ) Also it's not my place to judge you, nor to condemn you. I never would do that. And yes I would pray for you. I just wouldn't do it to the point that would make you uncomfortable. W-W-A-I-T My.. choice? I wonder how long it will be before I get kicked out of this guild, but dammit, I don't remember when I CHOSE to be gay. Be fair... you talked about a whole slew of things which are choices (swearing, drinking, drugs, etc)... don't be so quick to claim offense. Or perhaps it's the rejecting Jesus part?
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:02 pm
In Medias Res IV Nebulance In Medias Res IV Shadows-shine In Medias Res IV quietstorm 2 If it goes against the word of GOD I avoid it. In my line of work I did'nt have a choice.I did'n allow it to interfere in my belief. There are some that will never believe the way Christians do and as a result all I can do is pray about it, and continue to stand for what I do know. What would go against the word of G-d? Let's use me as an example. I'm a lesbian, I swear, I will drink, I occasionally take drugs, I don't believe ha-Satan is evil, I don't believe in Original Sin, I loathe Christians who quote the Tanakh and misuse it to support their own bigotry, I deny Jesus as my personal saviour. Am I someone who you will avoid? Will you pray for me? But I'm religious, devoutly so. For me personally, I don't agree with your choice of life style, but if that's what makes you happy go for it. I wouldn't avoid you, you might actually be a nice person (since I've never met you, I don't know what you're like. sweatdrop ) Also it's not my place to judge you, nor to condemn you. I never would do that. And yes I would pray for you. I just wouldn't do it to the point that would make you uncomfortable. W-W-A-I-T My.. choice? I wonder how long it will be before I get kicked out of this guild, but dammit, I don't remember when I CHOSE to be gay. Be fair... you talked about a whole slew of things which are choices (swearing, drinking, drugs, etc)... don't be so quick to claim offense. Or perhaps it's the rejecting Jesus part? I think Shadows was just referring to your lifestyle in general-- the whole of how you choose to live.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:03 pm
Nebulance In Medias Res IV Nebulance In Medias Res IV Shadows-shine For me personally, I don't agree with your choice of life style, but if that's what makes you happy go for it. I wouldn't avoid you, you might actually be a nice person (since I've never met you, I don't know what you're like. sweatdrop ) Also it's not my place to judge you, nor to condemn you. I never would do that. And yes I would pray for you. I just wouldn't do it to the point that would make you uncomfortable. W-W-A-I-T My.. choice? I wonder how long it will be before I get kicked out of this guild, but dammit, I don't remember when I CHOSE to be gay. Be fair... you talked about a whole slew of things which are choices (swearing, drinking, drugs, etc)... don't be so quick to claim offense. Or perhaps it's the rejecting Jesus part? I think Shadows was just referring to your lifestyle in general-- the whole of how you choose to live. I live very religiously within the context of Torah as best as I can.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:05 pm
In Medias Res IV Shadows-shine In Medias Res IV quietstorm 2 If it goes against the word of GOD I avoid it. In my line of work I did'nt have a choice.I did'n allow it to interfere in my belief. There are some that will never believe the way Christians do and as a result all I can do is pray about it, and continue to stand for what I do know. What would go against the word of G-d? Let's use me as an example. I'm a lesbian, I swear, I will drink, I occasionally take drugs, I don't believe ha-Satan is evil, I don't believe in Original Sin, I loathe Christians who quote the Tanakh and misuse it to support their own bigotry, I deny Jesus as my personal saviour. Am I someone who you will avoid? Will you pray for me? But I'm religious, devoutly so. For me personally, I don't agree with your choice of life style, but if that's what makes you happy go for it. I wouldn't avoid you, you might actually be a nice person (since I've never met you, I don't know what you're like. sweatdrop ) Also it's not my place to judge you, nor to condemn you. I never would do that. And yes I would pray for you. I just wouldn't do it to the point that would make you uncomfortable. W-W-A-I-T My.. choice? I wonder how long it will be before I get kicked out of this guild, but dammit, I don't remember when I CHOSE to be gay. No, that's not the part that I meant was your choice. I meant the part where you said that you swear, you drink, and don't accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:06 pm
Nebulance In Medias Res IV Nebulance In Medias Res IV Shadows-shine For me personally, I don't agree with your choice of life style, but if that's what makes you happy go for it. I wouldn't avoid you, you might actually be a nice person (since I've never met you, I don't know what you're like. sweatdrop ) Also it's not my place to judge you, nor to condemn you. I never would do that. And yes I would pray for you. I just wouldn't do it to the point that would make you uncomfortable. W-W-A-I-T My.. choice? I wonder how long it will be before I get kicked out of this guild, but dammit, I don't remember when I CHOSE to be gay. Be fair... you talked about a whole slew of things which are choices (swearing, drinking, drugs, etc)... don't be so quick to claim offense. Or perhaps it's the rejecting Jesus part? I think Shadows was just referring to your lifestyle in general-- the whole of how you choose to live. mhm that's exactly what I was referring to.
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