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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:43 am


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TL;DR won't work here, either. Survivors Study. And eat their Wheaties.

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Honestly, the day Aliens find this little planet in the universe is the day we find out they're really just in some backwater planet on the edge of the galaxy. They're not here to just tell us they're leaving us alone. The universe is big, but there's always a good chance they're not going to let us live.

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According to Exit Mundi, when scientists say they're looking for life, it's a good chance they're referring to bacteria and unicellular species. I believe there's something out there because I sure as hell don't put my stock in God.

We're going to talk about the big, scary, we're-going-to-snack-on-your-planet-to-survive aliens. Alien. Invasion of the Body Snatchers. The Faculty. Signs. Independence Day. Other equally awesome and strange alien representations.

Most likely the ant hill of the universe is us, so defense is nearly impossible, but lets assume our atmosphere is a little interesting and some one just came down to check us out--laugh, whatever. . .

What do you do? Guns, grenades, nuclear bombs, germs, WHAT!

Given the technological superiority they would have to possess, conventional warfare is out for us.

Grenades thrown, destruction from the inside, find their weakness. If they're carbon-based lifeforms, there's a good chance they have many of the same weaknesses as humans. I don't think country music will have an effect on them. Human bacteria rocks, apparently.

The chances of this happening any time soon are pretty minimal. Realistically, the amount of energy and materials required for them to get here would mean that they would have to perceive us as a real and immediate threat to justify the amount of effort required just to get here, not to mention exterminate us.

I think there are certain likely, logical assumptions we could make based on motivation. It might be useful to split the discussion down two different paths:

Genocide: Xenophobic races might be motivated to wipe us out before we become a threat. The questions would be:
* What would be the most effective ways to wipe out the entire human species?
* What would we likely have to do before we became "important enough" to wipe out?

Colonization: Some races might have the desire to take our planet for themselves. We'd probably see some terraforming going on in that case. Questions:
* Would humans be a valuable enough resource to preserve at some level (slaves? food?)?
* How much intelligence would they gather prior to invasion?
* What sorts of weapons would they be likely to use to kill us but not damage the planet?

Brandon Lum
[. . . ]
If they're just here for research, then we're probably going to be screwed because the military is going to go ballistic and detain, experiment and ultimately either kill, or imprison the poor b*****d and piss off the other colony in the process. [. . . ]

Basically, best thing that could happen, is that:
They're not here for a seek and destroy mission.
They can keep out of sight. [. . . ]


blindedscience [who will save us all! :3 ]
Phase I: Preparation

Like a lot of other sorts of natural disasters, preparation is key to how we would react to a extraterrestrial invasion.
Most traditional rules apply: horde non-perishable supplies and camping/survival gear. Figure out where you can get water from. Learn to handle weapons, hunt, and in general survive off the land.
Chances are that any attempts to conquer or kill us would first be centered in major population centers. For that reason, you should have a place planned that you can retreat to with forewarning. Communicate with your loved ones regarding the protocol for meeting up and fleeing to this location, or fleeing individually and meeting in this location.
Tell NO ONE about this location.


Phase II: First Strike

Whatever they have planned, chances are when they arrive that they'll test their planned method of conquest or extermination in a single place first to make sure it works as expected before launching into the full-scale assault.
This first strike will most likely occur in a heavily populated, well protected (by our standards) area, so that it's general efficiency can be tested. Depending on the method employed, it could be just minutes before they move from first strike to full assault, so our ability to communicate will be very important.
First off, you simply have to hope that you're not in the urban area targeted. If you're in the first strike area...well...best of luck to you.
However, the rest of us should be activating those disaster protocols and getting the hell out of whatever area we live in and going to our safe location.
You'll want to use a small, agile vehicle to travel, because chances are that the s#*t is going to hit the fan and travel on the highways might not be realistic. You may have to hike some distance, as well, if the traditional roads become blocked for whatever reason.
Regardless of what you do, stay the hell away from large population centers and groups of people.

Phase III: Full-Scale Invasion

By this point you better be hiding, because this is when the full scale, world-wide horror starts.
If the human race is going to survive, you'll need to do more than hide, however. You'll need to observe how this alien species operates. You want to avoid direct conflict, but you should take whatever opportunity presents itself to understand any standard operating procedures they use, as well as looking for any weaknesses.
Regardless, you MUST avoid contact. If they find your hiding spot, you have to be prepared to move quickly to another location.
You will probably have to make some tough choices. People may come to you for help, asking you to share your supplies. If they don't have anything to offer in exchange (necessary skills, or other redeeming qualities) you need to turn them away so that you will still have food and other necessities for your own survival.
You need to be prepared to protect the resources you have against other humans. This is why you needed to keep the location of your safehouse a secret...unprepared, desperate people will do desperate things.

Above all, hide and learn.




Tactics --
* We have to take advantage of one benefit we have: knowledge of and familiarity with Earth.
* Shove a grenade down its' throat. . .
* Find a weakness. If they are made of any substance that might be found on Earth, there's a good chance they have a vulnerability to chemicals found here as well.

* Their survival will be more important than our survival.
* Wimps don't become Top Dogs.
* They will assume that the two rules posted before this apply to us.
* Head between knees, kiss a** goodbye. [if only they were scared of things like that. . . I wonder how many stomachs they have, and if they can lose them?]
* horde non-perishable supplies and camping/survival gear.

* Figure out where you can get water from. Learn to handle weapons, hunt, and in general survive off the land.
* you should have a place planned that you can retreat to with forewarning.
* Tell NO ONE about this private place.
* Kill as many as possible, and go out in a blaze of revolutionary glory.

* Avoid direct contact when the worst seems present. If opportunity calls, take the chance.
* Hide & Learn
* Go Underground and trust only your party.
*


Weapons [and defensive tools] --
* grenades
* knowledge of the terrain.
* Tin Foil Hat [this one sucks]
* Water guns and water balloons [Signs probability]
* A rural retreat to run to in case of forewarning.

* a way to communicate with loved ones [my suggestion: walkies, air pigeon, something efficient.]
* a small, agile vehicle to travel, because chances are that the s#*t is going to hit the fan and travel on the highways might not be realistic.
* Regardless of what you do, stay the hell away from large population centers and groups of people.
*
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Lets talk Alien Survival for a month!
PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:06 am



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:45 am


Well, in the case of an invasion or extermination force, we can probably be pretty sure that the logistics chain to support that force is very long. If their military theory is at all like ours, what we're dealing with is an expeditionary force. That's both good and bad for us.
It's good because they will probably have all of their supplies with them, and if we can outlast those supplies and keep them from exploiting the supplies of our planet, they'll have to leave when they run out.
It's bad because an expeditionary force is always smaller than a main force, and if we somehow manage to hold the smaller force off, they might always come back with a much larger force. If we were already having problems with the smaller force, we're going to be in major trouble with the larger one.

So...given the technological superiority they would have to possess, conventional warfare is out for us. We have to take advantage of one benefit we have: knowledge of and familiarity with Earth. We settle in, we continually harass them without directly confronting them, and we make it our goal to survive without letting them feel comfortable.
All we have to do is outlast them.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:04 pm


What about the little things? Personally, I don't want some mind-reading alien to get in through my head and take over for me like in IBS. . . yes, I'm bringing Tin Foil Hat to the table. No alien's taking my brain meats without a fight!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:40 pm


I just did a search for an old quote I remembered that held a lot of logical sense, and I found it on a page with all sorts of interesting things on it. I'll share the page in a moment, but here is the quote:

Quote:
When we put our heads together and tried to list everything we could say with certainty about other civilizations, without having actually met them, all that we knew boiled down to three simple laws of alien behavior:
1. THEIR SURVIVAL WILL BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR SURVIVAL.
If an alien species has to choose between them and us, they won't choose us. It is difficult to imagine a contrary case; species don't survive by being self-sacrificing.
2. WIMPS DON'T BECOME TOP DOGS.
No species makes it to the top by being passive. The species in charge of any given planet will be highly intelligent, alert, aggressive, and ruthless when necessary.
3. THEY WILL ASSUME THAT THE FIRST TWO LAWS APPLY TO US.


Here is the page I drew from. All sorts of neat tidbits there.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 1:04 pm


blindedscience
All we have to do is outlast them.

Outlast? If they're a death and destruction league, they might be bringing on a plague of epidemic proportions, will likely wipe out our vegetation, punch a few holes in the Ozone Layer, and take down every mode of communication along the way.

We know there are still insane amounts of bomb shelters still in the world--you can buy them online even. If we treated this like a nuclear threat, would our chances of survival be greater?

Also, there's the idea that an alien has a penetrable shell that protects or sustains its life force. If you can break through this shell you can reveal a vulnerable and killable alien inside. [such a wide topic: I might have to do some more research on mannerisms and forms.]

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:02 pm


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Outlast? If they're a death and destruction league, they might be bringing on a plague of epidemic proportions, will likely wipe out our vegetation, punch a few holes in the Ozone Layer, and take down every mode of communication along the way.


The chances of this happening any time soon are pretty minimal. Realistically, the amount of energy and materials required for them to get here would mean that they would have to perceive us as a real and immediate threat to justify the amount of effort required just to get here, not to mention exterminate us.
We're not a threat to anyone yet on a cosmic scale. We have only very basic technology that would allow us to travel outside of our planet.
However...
There's a theory that an alien race might employ berzerker probes. These self-replicating probes would be designed to seek out and exterminate other lifeforms.
So...we wouldn't be dealing with aliens, per se, but genocidal robot agents of an alien race.
Now, if you fast-forward to a few hundred years from now, and we suddenly are capable of armed space travel, THEN things change a bit...
PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:29 pm


what will kill them is also what will keep us confined to our little mudball.

there are diseases that they have no immunity to.

my tactic: sneeze on them

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:14 am




This is a hard one, even harder than zombies.

We have no idea what they could be like. They could be made from stuff way different than us, they could have military tactics that are impossible for us to figure out. They could have weapons that would wipe us out in seconds. Our only hope is that they're Signs aliens and we can bring out the heavy artillery: Water guns and water balloons.


We'd also have to get into the debate of whether or not we have been/are being visited already.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:57 am


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This is a hard one, even harder than zombies.

We have no idea what they could be like. They could be made from stuff way different than us, they could have military tactics that are impossible for us to figure out. They could have weapons that would wipe us out in seconds. Our only hope is that they're Signs aliens and we can bring out the heavy artillery: Water guns and water balloons.


We'd also have to get into the debate of whether or not we have been/are being visited already.


I think there are certain likely, logical assumptions we could make based on motivation. It might be useful to split the discussion down two different paths:

Genocide: Xenophobic races might be motivated to wipe us out before we become a threat. The questions would be:
* What would be the most effective ways to wipe out the entire human species?
* What would we likely have to do before we became "important enough" to wipe out?

Colonization: Some races might have the desire to take our planet for themselves. We'd probably see some terraforming going on in that case. Questions:
* Would humans be a valuable enough resource to preserve at some level (slaves? food?)?
* How much intelligence would they gather prior to invasion?
* What sorts of weapons would they be likely to use to kill us but not damage the planet?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:03 am


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This is a hard one, even harder than zombies.

We have no idea what they could be like. They could be made from stuff way different than us, they could have military tactics that are impossible for us to figure out. They could have weapons that would wipe us out in seconds. Our only hope is that they're Signs aliens and we can bring out the heavy artillery: Water guns and water balloons.


We'd also have to get into the debate of whether or not we have been/are being visited already.

I think we've been visited already, look at history. The Alien Astronaut Theory.

Personally, I think we're in a test tube, maybe we're a science project for some kid.

blindedscience
Colonization: Some races might have the desire to take our planet for themselves. We'd probably see some terraforming going on in that case. Questions:
* Would humans be a valuable enough resource to preserve at some level (slaves? food?)?
* How much intelligence would they gather prior to invasion?
* What sorts of weapons would they be likely to use to kill us but not damage the planet?


I'm sure there is enough food on this planet for aliens, Especially if they feed on human flesh. 4 billion people would make a satisfactory meal for anyone, and a breeding program would be in order. They've got enough info on us, considering the idea that we've gotten technology from them is plausible [the computer chip was founded in '56, Roswell happened in '47, the pyramids might be a clue as well as the Incan Ruins and Stonehenge]
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:30 pm


The earth's population is actually closer to 7 billion, Dee. Plenty of munchies.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:29 pm


Well, besides putting your head between your knees and kissing your a** goodbye, there are a few things you need to think about.

First off, the fact that they were able to come to the planet in the first place shows that they're already more advanced than us, due to the fact that they have interplanetary travel.

Putting that aside, I'm sure that before they'd come to this planet, they'd have thought of the idea that they won't be welcome, and so would come armed, just in case.

Since a load of people on this planet will likely go back s**t crazy and flip the ******** out, they'd most likely open fire like that a*****e did to the John Lennon and then we'd pretty much be at war.

Once that happens, you can be pretty sure that at that point, we're ******** is also the other possibility:

If they're just here for research, then we're probably going to be screwed because the military is going to go ballistic and detain, experiment and ultimately either kill, or imprison the poor b*****d and piss off the other colony in the process.

Basically, best thing that could happen, is that:
They're not here for a seek and destroy mission.
They can keep out of sight.

We have to rely on them having more sophisticated technology and some sort of cloaking or disguising ability, as well as being friendly if we're going to survive.

If worst comes to worst, then stockpile everything, urine, water, detergent, bleach, firearms, gasoline, soap, lye, munitions, dirt, everything. Since we don't know what we're up against, it wouldn't hurt to think that something as simple as latex or polyurethane could be a weapon.

My hope is that it just goes over okay.

That's my little bit on this.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:31 am


Lucie Furr
The earth's population is actually closer to 7 billion, Dee. Plenty of munchies.

She knows, but she does not comprehend. xD What do you think will happen if Lum's right and they just cloak before killing us?

Good little bit, Lum.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:47 am


Thank ya. ^_^
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