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 Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:58 am
[YOU finish the equation. Curtis Jackson (ahem..."50 Cent") is the star of an ultra-violent video game: 50 Cent: Bulletproof . My first question, is of course--why is it that we always have to go back to the "I got shot" thing?? Anyway, I suppose that's how he came into the game, (literally and figuritively), and I guess that's how he's going to keep things until he dies...or retires.]
[What is your opinion on the video game, the movie, and the lifestyle of 50 Cent? Violent and unnecessary?? Spiritually unhealthy for the youth of the nation? What would you do if your child was an enthusiastic Fiddy fan (guns, violence, the whole nine; even wanting to play the game, read the book and see the movie)? Is 50 Cent about more than violence? Or is that all he is--a walking "shock factor?" What's so special about him?
Keep in mind this topic is coming from someone who doesn't like or endorse rap (for the most part) or 50 Cent (at all). Try to be prepared to defend your point of view.
[A city's point of view in action.]
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:01 am
[Also, how do you think the rapper's choices will affect his son??]
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:19 am
=/ I don't really care for 50 cent... but his movie... It was was good. It didn't just show some gangster running around shooting people. It kind of opened my eyes about what's really out there. You know? And you can't blame him and his movies for how crazy kids are when they grow up. There is violence everywhere that can influence. Of course video games and movies, but what about the violence that we see everyday on the news; footage from over in Iraq =l. Think about the toys mothers buy their sons; little action figures that they play wrestling with, toy guns, etc. So if the youth is being affected, its not only by rappers... neutral
Btw... Have you seen the movie? Cause when he got shot, he thought he heard his mom calling him... but it was his grandma... and alot of people can be shot 9 times and live to tell about it... =l
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 10:47 am
[I'm not blaming him for kids growing up wild; that would be too easy. There is no one source responsible for it. But why is he adding to it?? neutral He doesn't have to, therefore he can shoulder some of the blame. If he was John Q on the Corner whom no one knew existed, that might be different. But he's not, right? stare
Violence is life. That's undeniable. Since the dawn of time, violence has been present; it's not something created by man. Yet we are so self aware we feel the need to study and understand it; prevent it and shield ourselves and children from it...
My problem with some rappers is that they glorify violence. No, it's not 50's fault he was a victim of violence (necessarily), but he endorses it with everything he does, it seems.
Of course, there is another side to things-- because violence was such a real part of his life (made him who he is), I suppose that can't be overlooked or forgotten. Still though, why the videogame? Why the image? You could be considered noble for overcoming adversity and making it big, then telling the story of the streets to inform the masses. But then why the hell contradict yourself by making a videogame in which you're nothing but a killer out for revenge...?]
[No, I haven't seent he movie. I don't really plan to. I don't understand why it makes a difference who was beckoning for him...care to elaborate? I never said people couldn't live after being shot like that; watch the Discovery Health Channel?? People can survive so many things. And like that channel allows people to share their stories of survival, I'm sure 50's story isn't one we should ignore. But the guy who is almost cut in half in a freak accident doesn't go around the country flaunting a chainsaw and pretending to chop off limbs on stage just for entertainment, right?? rolleyes ]
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:12 pm
hmmm i do agree the 50 cent capitalizes on the fact that he got shot, but if you ask me it's just one big strive for money, he basically just turned his shooting around to make him money, im not saying that's a good thing. as for you not liking rap i would just like to know why because usually i dont get very good answers other than "it's violent" "to much booty" or "rap is crap man!"
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:18 pm
Attention and Promotion...
That's why he does it. He uses his so called (Bad Boy) Image to earn media hype. Everyone knows him as 'the guy who got shot nine times' his music isn't even that good, so without the hype he wouldn't sell many records...But a lot of artists also use the same techniques that 50 has.
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:31 pm
Black_Ronin hmmm i do agree the 50 cent capitalizes on the fact that he got shot, but if you ask me it's just one big strive for money, he basically just turned his shooting around to make him money, im not saying that's a good thing. as for you not liking rap i would just like to know why because usually i dont get very good answers other than "it's violent" "to much booty" or "rap is crap man!" [That's a good phrase to use: "he's capitalizing on getting shot." I was trying to think of how to put that before but all I got was brain farts. xd Anyway, I agree that he's just trying to turn his misfortune into a large fortune.
About the rap thing...Hmmm...I guess that comes from my being "anti-ghetto." Rap was one of those things that was prominent in the ghetto. They say you can "take the girl out of the ghetto but you can't take the ghetto out of the girl." That couldn't be more wrong. Maybe it's a personal grudge I have? A "vendetta" of sorts... I hated not being able to sleep because of the rap blaring out of speakers with enough bass to make my windows shake. I hated hearing people out at 3 am, high as ********, rapping at the top of their lungs. I hated people rapping outside around toddlers, tossing around swear words with total disregard. I don't like how rappers are idolized for all the wrong reasons.
...How rap isn't so much about "the struggle" as it is about "dissing" and shouting out products and being richer than the next person and talking about killing people and hurting people for nothing.
Maybe I don't like what rap reminds me of. It doesn't bring back good memories.
And no, I don't like the video hoes either. But the older I get, the more it's like, "So ******** what?" when it comes to half naked women on TV and in other media. It's funny though how a show is rated "mature" if it's "Girls Gone Wild" (a bunch of mostly young white girls), and yet rap music videos don't issue a warning to parents that the content may be something they might not find suitable for kids under 14 or 18 or whatever. rolleyes ]
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:37 pm
Diamond_Love Attention and Promotion... That's why he does it. He uses his so called (Bad Boy) Image to earn media hype. Everyone knows him as 'the guy who got shot nine times' his music isn't even that good, so without the hype he wouldn't sell many records...But a lot of artists also use the same techniques that 50 has. [An interesting point, just like what Ronin was saying. 3nodding ]
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:07 pm
@ PassionDragon: I know exactly what you mean. I like Hip-Hop, but the minute rap began to separate itself entirely from Hip Hop was the minute I began to be 'turned off' by rap music in general.
When it started, it was fun, when it started to grow, it was informational and uplifting. Now it's just half-naked women and lyrically-challenged rappers trying to pull Hip-Hop out of the coma it's been in for the last who-knows-how-many years. Most of them aren't very good at what they're trying to do, and they fall back on the beats created by producers who are just running out of ways to recycle the same DOOM-pap DOOM-DOOM-pap over and over again.
I find myself annoyed more often than not by folks who listen to rappers today and swear that's the true voice of Hip Hop, and who have never even seen the faces of KRS-One, Chuck D, Rakim, or any of the others who made Hip Hop what it was, and what it's supposed to be now, other than for a 60 minutes stretch on VH1s Hip Hop Honors.
I appreciate Kanye now, not because I think he's exceptionally talented, but because he's actually saying something.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:16 pm
Kaenai @ PassionDragon: I know exactly what you mean. I like Hip-Hop, but the minute reap began to separate itself entirely from Hip Hop was the minute I began to be 'turned off' by rap music in general.
When it started, it was fun, when it started to grow, it was informational and uplifting. Now it's just half-naked women and lyrically-challenged rappers trying to pull Hip-Hop out of the coma it's been in for the last who-knows-how-many years. Most of them aren't very good at what they're trying to do, and they fall back on the beats created by producers who are just running out of ways to recycle the same DOOM-pap DOOM-DOOM-pap over and over again.
I find myself annoyed more often than not by folks who listen to rappers today and swear that's the true voice of Hip Hop, and who have never even seen the faces of KRS-One, Chuck D, Rakim, or any of the others who made Hip Hop what it was, and what it's supposed to be now, other than for a 60 minutes stretch on VH1s Hip Hop Honors.
I appreciate Kanye now, not because I think he's exceptionally talented, but because he's actually saying something. [ heart I hear you. I could go on and on about how totally lame most rap is these days. I like what you said about Kanye; I agree. 3nodding ]
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:44 pm
just because i can run my mouth for days as well, when i comes to Hip Hop and music in general, i had to respond to the original post, too.
i'm not a fan of Fiddy. from his bragging about getting shot to his put-downs of Puffy for changing his name to 'Diddy', Fiddy has been nothing but an embarrassment to Hip Hop since his first album. It doesn't matter to me how much 'street cred' you have, once you've sat on Letterman's couch, and chatted it up with the ladies of The View, you are just that much less "gangsta", period. so accusing one of the most prominent (not necessarily good, just prominent) players in Hip Hop today of trying to be like you is just plain stupid. trying to say that an even more prominent Hip Hop artist now has 'beef' with you for trying to be more mature and help out another talented artist is just plain childish. to try to take the credit for another completely unrelated artist's success is blatantly conceited. finally, to publicly try to suck up to the establishment that you fight in every one of your songs is weak.
your whole steez is just tired, mr. jackson.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:57 pm
Kaenai just because i can run my mouth for days as well, when i comes to Hip Hop and music in general, i had to respond to the original post, too.
i'm not a fan of Fiddy. from his bragging about getting shot to his put-downs of Puffy for changing his name to 'Diddy', Fiddy has been nothing but an embarrassment to Hip Hop since his first album. It doesn't matter to me how much 'street cred' you have, once you've sat on Letterman's couch, and chatted it up with the ladies of The View, you are just that much less "gangsta", period. so accusing one of the most prominent (not necessarily good, just prominent) players in Hip Hop today of trying to be like you is just plain stupid. trying to say that an even more prominent Hip Hop artist now has 'beef' with you for trying to be more mature and help out another talented artist is just plain childish. to try to take the credit for another completely unrelated artist's success is blatantly conceited. finally, to publicly try to suck up to the establishment that you fight in every one of your songs is weak.
your whole steez is just tired, mr. jackson. [*does her best Ja Rule (Though I realize there was a beef between teh two, right? rolleyes )*
What you talkin' 'bout, son? A N**** cain't get on wit some tea and crumpets wit Da View broads? xd
Anyway, I agree. Well put. 3nodding Thanks for the examples.]
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:39 pm
Well me and my step brother *who is african american* went and saw his movie "get rich or die trying". We both thought it was horrible. The whole movie he has the same dumb look of a caveman on his face. It was about as inexpressive as his mumbled cheesy lines. Nonstop the movie kept piling on the cliches, halfway through the movie we were ready to leave. Can't believe we wasted money on that junk movie. crying Anyways as you may be able to tell I really really dislike fiddy, he hasn't done anything positive for rap. His music is mediocre at best *actually probably not even that*. And it always always comes back to how he was shot, and survived. He was shot at 9 times, and 3 hit him, not 9! He got hit on each leg and once in the jaw. Which isnt all that amazing to survive from. Basicly he relys on his misfortune for publicity, and somehow people fall for it. Plus, I noticed that alot of kids these days see him as an example, and they are trying to do the whole gangsta thing. It's really sad....>_>
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:49 pm
Mesatsu_Gouki Well me and my step brother *who is african american* went and saw his movie "get rich or die trying". We both thought it was horrible. The whole movie he has the same dumb look of a caveman on his face. It was about as inexpressive as his mumbled cheesy lines. Nonstop the movie kept piling on the cliches, halfway through the movie we were ready to leave. Can't believe we wasted money on that junk movie. crying Anyways as you may be able to tell I really really dislike fiddy, he hasn't done anything positive for rap. His music is mediocre at best *actually probably not even that*. And it always always comes back to how he was shot, and survived. He was shot at 9 times, and 3 hit him, not 9! He got hit on each leg and once in the jaw. Which isnt all that amazing to survive from. Basicly he relys on his misfortune for publicity, and somehow people fall for it. Plus, I noticed that alot of kids these days see him as an example, and they are trying to do the whole gangsta thing. It's really sad....>_> [Haha. xd Yes, he does have that "caveman/neanderthal" look.
Ouch...I hate to waste money on a bad movie. I didn't think it would be good.
Yes, a lot of kids idolize him, and it is quite sickening. confused ]
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:55 pm
Even though I listen to some music from now... I have to say that I miss the good old days. Im not old enough to remember the good old days but music went downhill as soon as Tupac and Biggie were killed.
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