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Alright so in the first movie at the end when the allspark was "destroyed", Optimus pulls a little shard from Megs chest, and says brother something something, in the second it was said only a prime could kill the fallen, well if Megs was Optimus' brother, in theory cud that mean Megs could kill the fallen too, and if so, did the fallen know this, or wuz he clueless, cuz im guessing if he did know he wud kill Megs (YAY)!

but it might, when megatron died he called him brother, when jazz died he didnt call him brother he called him conmrad

thnks for explaining all of that, but why do u have to be such a d**k????? cant u say it nicely

Didn't mean to sound harsh, sorry if you took it that way.

All I'n saying is that the terms could mean anything. On Cybertron, who really knows what makes you "brothers"? Is it if you're brought online in the same "batch" of "protoforms" or something?

And what makes you a "descendant"? Optimus didn't have a mom or a dad to inherit the title of "Prime" from, maybe it's a spiritual thing like reincarnation?

if all life TF life comes from the allspark then how so transformers have brother and or descendant

the only thing that comes to mind is like when blacks call each other brother
so optimus prime and megatron are "brothers" rofl

In a form of life that does not have reproduction in the same way as we do, familial bonds are not likely. In the prequel comic to the first film, the situation was explained that Optimus and Megatron ruled equally, until Megs turned against the Autobots. That familiarity and camaraderie could be the source of calling him 'Brother.'

Again, without a familiar reproductive cycle such as our own, any references are conjecture, but with the matter of descendants, typically the title of Prime carries with it some sort of upgrade. One such example is in the War Within comics where Optimus is given the Matrix in a chamber and becomes literally bigger with a reformatting of sorts. Such could explain why "Only a Prime could kill the Fallen" . . . one must be that powerful in order to successfully take on another with that same level.

Such could also explain why Megatron is almost equal to Prime, but spends eons just falling short of beating him. A slight power difference between a normal Transformer- no matter how powered up they may be, and a Prime. Megatron did win in the second film, but not through straight combat. He did a rogueish backstab while Prime was calling out for Sam. In short, the same fault that Megs had called Optimus on for eons: caring too much about the weak. Distracted for finding Sam, Optimus left an opening that Megatron could capitalize on.

Back on topic, I agree with Mylian in that some terminology might not translate well from Cybertronian to English- including terms of familiarity. As per the loss of Jazz, he was called a comrade perhaps due to not all TFs present wishing to refer to him as a 'brother' . . . then again, that might have seen to cement the token black guy status of Jazz.

The "Brotha" dun got' killed for bein' black. rolleyes The twins are exponentially worse, and lived . . . I don't notice anybody saying at least the 'Black Transformers' survived this time.