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 Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:39 pm
Yay! First topic I have ever made. Outside of the Tech Support forum, anyway sweatdrop
All my life, I had been raised with the belief that having any sexual relations, from minor petting to full blown hallelujah chorus Sex, before marriage was a sin. I understand that your body is a vessel for God, and all of the dangers of sleeping around(and the possible resulting expenses of ordering 15 separate paternity tests per child, though that's usually recouped by showing on Jerry Springer).
But, what about two youngsters in love, who just want to give themselves to each other in Mind and Body? They've already made the decision to spend the rest of their lives together, would three months really make all that much of a difference?
And I'm not wanting Opinion or what your Youth Pastor said - is there actual Doctrine from the Bible that condemns premarital sex?
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:16 pm
I think it does somewhere in one of the epsitles but i could care less. Jesus himself didn't seem too much one way or the other. asfar as i am concerned sex is not to be shared between two people and only those two people forever. Sex is just as much for fun as it is for procreation. and just as much as it is for self-gratification as it is for love. I will warn against the idea that you two will be together forever. With teenagers, even those in love sex can mess up a good relationship. Personaly I say screw all you want. The only thing i can tell you is that teenagers don't just feel love, they also feel lust and don't have the experiance to know the differeance.
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Lazarus The Resurected Crew
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:50 am
Provide verses that are used to define premarital sex as a sin and I can help provide some input and possibly provide proper context for those verses.
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:08 am
In the biblical culture sex before marriage was unacceptable, but are there reasons for it to be so also now? The culture of the biblical times was obsessed with bloodline. Also having a baby and being an unmarried mother with no one to support them was very bad, and since there was no reliable contraception people rather made sure that it wouldn't happen.
We know from the Bible that Jesus is against infidelity and against promiscuity [and I am against both too].
But is he also agaist pre-marital sex within a loving comitted couple, two people who are dedicated to stay together? That's not so clear imo.
And is it really so important? Some Christians are kind of like pharisees, lamenting over other people's pre-marital sex [even if it's an adult responsible couple] as if it was the worst thing you can ever commit, yet they themselves are full of pride and disdain for others, which is maybe worse [reminds me of C.S. Lewis, who wrote about how spiritual sins are more harmful to the sould of the individual than physical, and specially how dangerous pride is.]
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:03 am
Luz Melian In the biblical culture sex before marriage was unacceptable, but that's what I'm asking support for. I've been told that several times throughout my life, but I've yet to see the actual verse that claims it.
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:46 pm
Sex before marriage is not only a sin (and against Christian ethos) it also can lead to other problems.
THough i've never done it (and will not before marriage)
I've seen what it can do. The first time its all great and whatever, but then as time goes by it gets to be all that a couple does. It kills what love truly is. It is LUST.
Its a relationship killer in my opinion.
Plus, i don't want to risk having children before i'm ready.
Love can exist without Lust.
That love is true love, and it only comes once. Its come to me, and i'm not going to lose it because i want instant gratification
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:01 pm
"Honor marriage, and guard the sacredness of sexual intimacy between wife and husband. God draws a firm line against casual and illicit sex."
~Hebrews 13:4~
There's your proof everyone. And it only took 6 posts for someone to post it... -_- *sarcasm*
And OMG, Militant Christian, I LOVE your quote!!! Frickin' epic!!! xD
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:08 am
Act of Random Kindness - Well I can not remember the whole bible eh? And I wasn't aware of a specific NT verse about this issue. However now I just found the verse in my bible and from my translation [it's Czech] it's not so clear. It says something like: "May marriage be honored by all and be faithful in marriage, for the infidel will be judged by God."
Exark - Just because it's before marriage it doesn't mean it's of just lust and not love. Some people go from one person to another and don't stay long with anyone, yet they have sex even if the relationship isn't very deep. And that's sinful and bad for the emotional side of the people involved, I believe. But if it is an adult comitted couple who is determined to stay a couple or even planning to get married soon, why would it be so much different if they have sex before getting married? Why would it be sinful lust and relationship killer before marriage but after it not any more? Their love is still there, it won't suddenly change or increase 200% after the ceremony.
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:44 am
Act of Random Kindness "Honor marriage, and guard the sacredness of sexual intimacy between wife and husband. God draws a firm line against casual and illicit sex." ~Hebrews 13:4~ There's your proof everyone. And it only took 6 posts for someone to post it... -_- *sarcasm* And OMG, Militant Christian, I LOVE your quote!!! Frickin' epic!!! xD Okay now let me provide the NASB version to help provide some perspective on this. Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge. Obviously adultery was something that Christ actively spoke against, but what does "fornicators" or in your verse "casual" mean? According to this breakdown here and my understanding of the word pornia he's speaking against the customers of prostitutes and not all forms of pre-marital sex. But to be fair, pornia is a very broad term for any illicit sex and could mean anything.
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:40 am
Luz Melian Act of Random Kindness - Well I can not remember the whole bible eh? And I wasn't aware of a specific NT verse about this issue. However now I just found the verse in my bible and from my translation [it's Czech] it's not so clear. It says something like: "May marriage be honored by all and be faithful in marriage, for the infidel will be judged by God." Exark - Just because it's before marriage it doesn't mean it's of just lust and not love. Some people go from one person to another and don't stay long with anyone, yet they have sex even if the relationship isn't very deep. And that's sinful and bad for the emotional side of the people involved, I believe. But if it is an adult comitted couple who is determined to stay a couple or even planning to get married soon, why would it be so much different if they have sex before getting married? Why would it be sinful lust and relationship killer before marriage but after it not any more? Their love is still there, it won't suddenly change or increase 200% after the ceremony. I wasn't angry at just you for not posting a scripture. I was kinda peeved at everyone here in general. Someone asked for a scripture a while ago and no one took the time to go look it up. I mean, we have the internet, how long could it possibly take? Also, as a simple analogy to you argument, why not get drunk 2 weeks before your 21st birthday? I mean, you have a designated driver so you're not gonna cause an accident, what harm could it cause? You're practically there anyways.
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Neferet -House of Night- Crew
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:55 am
Act of Random Kindness Luz Melian Act of Random Kindness - Well I can not remember the whole bible eh? And I wasn't aware of a specific NT verse about this issue. However now I just found the verse in my bible and from my translation [it's Czech] it's not so clear. It says something like: "May marriage be honored by all and be faithful in marriage, for the infidel will be judged by God." Exark - Just because it's before marriage it doesn't mean it's of just lust and not love. Some people go from one person to another and don't stay long with anyone, yet they have sex even if the relationship isn't very deep. And that's sinful and bad for the emotional side of the people involved, I believe. But if it is an adult comitted couple who is determined to stay a couple or even planning to get married soon, why would it be so much different if they have sex before getting married? Why would it be sinful lust and relationship killer before marriage but after it not any more? Their love is still there, it won't suddenly change or increase 200% after the ceremony. I wasn't angry at just you for not posting a scripture. I was kinda peeved at everyone here in general. Someone asked for a scripture a while ago and no one took the time to go look it up. I mean, we have the internet, how long could it possibly take? Also, as a simple analogy to you argument, why not get drunk 2 weeks before your 21st birthday? I mean, you have a designated driver so you're not gonna casue an accident, what harm could it cause? You're practically there anyways. There's a difference between sex and alcohol you know. Alcohol is a poison that kills every single major organ in your body minus your ears.
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:36 am
Act of Random Kindness Luz Melian Act of Random Kindness - Well I can not remember the whole bible eh? And I wasn't aware of a specific NT verse about this issue. However now I just found the verse in my bible and from my translation [it's Czech] it's not so clear. It says something like: "May marriage be honored by all and be faithful in marriage, for the infidel will be judged by God." Exark - Just because it's before marriage it doesn't mean it's of just lust and not love. Some people go from one person to another and don't stay long with anyone, yet they have sex even if the relationship isn't very deep. And that's sinful and bad for the emotional side of the people involved, I believe. But if it is an adult comitted couple who is determined to stay a couple or even planning to get married soon, why would it be so much different if they have sex before getting married? Why would it be sinful lust and relationship killer before marriage but after it not any more? Their love is still there, it won't suddenly change or increase 200% after the ceremony. I wasn't angry at just you for not posting a scripture. I was kinda peeved at everyone here in general. Someone asked for a scripture a while ago and no one took the time to go look it up. I mean, we have the internet, how long could it possibly take? Also, as a simple analogy to you argument, why not get drunk 2 weeks before your 21st birthday? I mean, you have a designated driver so you're not gonna casue an accident, what harm could it cause? You're practically there anyways. I asked for a verse because there are some outrageous verses that are taken too often out of context to support whatever cause a person wants. I was wanting to know if there were specific verses to support the stance that pre-marital sex was a sin and then show how the verse is being taken out of context. Most verses regarding sex in the Bible are taken out of context and are justified by tradition rather than scripture.
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:20 am
-xXLady RaiXx- Act of Random Kindness Luz Melian Act of Random Kindness - Well I can not remember the whole bible eh? And I wasn't aware of a specific NT verse about this issue. However now I just found the verse in my bible and from my translation [it's Czech] it's not so clear. It says something like: "May marriage be honored by all and be faithful in marriage, for the infidel will be judged by God." Exark - Just because it's before marriage it doesn't mean it's of just lust and not love. Some people go from one person to another and don't stay long with anyone, yet they have sex even if the relationship isn't very deep. And that's sinful and bad for the emotional side of the people involved, I believe. But if it is an adult comitted couple who is determined to stay a couple or even planning to get married soon, why would it be so much different if they have sex before getting married? Why would it be sinful lust and relationship killer before marriage but after it not any more? Their love is still there, it won't suddenly change or increase 200% after the ceremony. I wasn't angry at just you for not posting a scripture. I was kinda peeved at everyone here in general. Someone asked for a scripture a while ago and no one took the time to go look it up. I mean, we have the internet, how long could it possibly take? Also, as a simple analogy to you argument, why not get drunk 2 weeks before your 21st birthday? I mean, you have a designated driver so you're not gonna casue an accident, what harm could it cause? You're practically there anyways. There's a difference between sex and alcohol you know. Alcohol is a poison that kills every single major organ in your body minus your ears. Unwanted pregnancies can cause different types of problems for all involved, but this is starting to get off topic, so I'll stop this here. 4 and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" 11 "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin." John 8:4-11 So, judging from that last verse, I'm guessing Jesus thought adultery was a sinful act, unless it's out of context again.
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:59 pm
Luz Melian Act of Random Kindness - Well I can not remember the whole bible eh? And I wasn't aware of a specific NT verse about this issue. However now I just found the verse in my bible and from my translation [it's Czech] it's not so clear. It says something like: "May marriage be honored by all and be faithful in marriage, for the infidel will be judged by God." Exark - Just because it's before marriage it doesn't mean it's of just lust and not love. Some people go from one person to another and don't stay long with anyone, yet they have sex even if the relationship isn't very deep. And that's sinful and bad for the emotional side of the people involved, I believe. But if it is an adult comitted couple who is determined to stay a couple or even planning to get married soon, why would it be so much different if they have sex before getting married? Why would it be sinful lust and relationship killer before marriage but after it not any more? Their love is still there, it won't suddenly change or increase 200% after the ceremony. You have a point, but, if it is abused, it will lead to other problems. It should be respected and not refused. Granted, i still am against premarital sex.
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