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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:55 am

nah.... talk2hand neutral even though he have some >good< proofs i think i isn't real. i still believe in God.

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:08 pm

Sure why not, no other explanation seems to makes sense and have so much evidence that support it. like fossils and why there's so many different kinds of a species with so many different traits.

I mean all evolution does is explain is how all things have changed since they began. Please people don't confuse evolution with abiogenesis, abiogenesis is the theory of where things come from and evolution is the theory of how things change.

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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:19 pm

Oh, I believe in God, I just don't believe in an enforced literal interpretation of a document that's thousands of years old, and had at least four major and only He knows how many minor revisions and translations, most of the time to suit the opinions and mores of the people in power (go back and study a history of why the King James Bible was created in the first place.

I also can't believe that a God who wants mankind to learn and grow would deliberately put false information out there to make us think that the world is billions of year old when it's only 6000.

God wouldn't give us the ability to reason and investigate, just to expect us not to use them.

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:47 pm

I beleive in natural selection. Or, micro-evolution. Not macro-evolution (i.e.- dinosaurs to humans).

I am a creationist. Also, whether or not the Earth or Universe is billions or thousands of years is irrelevant to me with God. Personally, I think the Universe and Earth is billions of years old. Whether or not it is, however, does not effect my faith. :]

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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:17 pm

I do, makes plenty of sence to me.
Although Darwins theory of evolution is relatively young, there were several ancient philosophers who theorized the decent of man from animal. Darwin simply added a little spice to the old recipe with "natural selection."

I woudln't understand what about it doesn't make sence.
It's a plausible connection.

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:58 pm

You can do both, i do. The bible is not literal it is a series of stories with morals that teach you, its that simple

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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:51 am

this should go without saying, but just because you believe in God doesnt mean you cant/shouldnt believe in evolution. me personally, i totally believe in evolution. it frankly shocks me when people dont! i think for the most part darwin had it right. im sure modern science has made some revisions to his basic theory, which is good. thanks be to science!

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:49 am

i do not belive in his thoery because he states that we humans came from apes but the question is who made the apes and he did not even yet find his answer,his so called missing link.So i dont believe him but i belive God because it is in the bible written God made the world only using his own voice only.

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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:06 pm

jo13sh4ua000

i do not belive in his thoery because he states that we humans came from apes but the question is who made the apes and he did not even yet find his answer,his so called missing link.So i dont believe him but i belive God because it is in the bible written God made the world only using his own voice only.

actually it was creationist who say that we come from apes it's actually more like monkeys and they come from a shrew or mouse like creature, and before that an amphibious like creature. I could go on, but I'm lazy.

Oh and science has found the missing link and her's my link to it.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090519-missing-link-found.html

Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:38 am

I believe in evolution and God also...

In a Mayan creation story monkeys represent an early failed attempt by the gods to create a human race (I looked at a Wikipedia page to confirm this one - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_myth - you have to scroll pretty far down to get to the Mayan section). Races that lived close with apes and monkeys naturally recognized a similarity between us humans and these primates as opposed to other animals less like us. Drawing a divide between humans and animals (an perhaps even plants) is a tricky philisophical divide for both sides of the creation/evolution debate. The overwhelming tendency is to give humans a special spiritual state above all other animals. Religion handles this nicely by simply giving humas a special role in the creation or the top rung in the spiritual ladder (I'm thinking hinduism here). Evolution leaves this more up to debate. Do monkeys have souls?

At any rate I tend to stick to religion for its spiritual/moral/sociological virtues rather than as the final word on matters of science.

And I'll have to look into abiogenesis - that's a new term to me. That's part of why I love this guild. * HAPPY *

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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:39 pm

mazuac

I beleive in natural selection. Or, micro-evolution. Not macro-evolution (i.e.- dinosaurs to humans).

Humans did NOT evolve from dinosaurs. Birds did.
Anyway, I support Darwin's theory of evolution. There is a great amount of scientific evidence for it, and it all makes sense. Besides, I support evolution, AND believe in God. It's OK if to be a creationist, but I just wanted to point out that small error.

Also, jo13sh4ua000 claims that Darwin did not explain where apes came from. First of all, even if there are holes in fossil record, it does not prove Darwin's theory false. Discovering new things is what science is all about. Secondly, if you really want to know what apes evolved from...
Humans came from apes.
Apes came from monkeys.
Monkeys came from early primates.
Primates came from early placental mammals.
Placental mammals came from marsupial mammals.
Marsupial mammals came from egg-laying mammals.
Egg laying mammals came from mammal-like-reptiles.
Mammal-like reptiles came from earlier reptiles.
Reptiles came from amphibians.
Amphibians came from fish.
Fish came from early chordates.
Chordates are in the superphylum Deuterostomia.
Deuterostomes are in the kingdom Animalia.
The kingdom Animalia is in the domain of Eukariotes.
Eukariotes are a type of living thing.
There are several theories about how life arose, although it probably happened by chance. This is as simple as I can possibly make it, so if any of you have any questions, PM me.

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:29 pm

Not only it does make sense, but it has been actually proved, and there are many, many easy ways to prove it. Many diseases, for example, are caused by virus and bacteria that are constantly mutating; swine flu itself is the result of these mutations. If Darwin's theory is wrong, many of the incurable diseases today would be simply erradicated by a vaccine; and many of the medicines millions of people take everyday would simply not work.

Well, before people say "DARWIN WAS A CRAZY MAN 'CAUSE MEN CANT SIMPLY COME FROM APES" try to be informed about what the guy really says. It turns out to be very easy to don't agree with someone when you don't actually know what is he saying, and specially easy when you don't want to know what is he saying.

And to the people who say "It has proofs, but I believe in God"... First: to call evolution a fact doesn't mean that you are automatically an atheist. Darwin himself was a very religious man. Second: a well-known fact about the universe isn't less of a fact only because it doesn't fit in your worldview. Think about that.

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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:19 pm

Oops! My mistake. I wrote that humans came from apes. In fact, humans and apes came from one common ancestor. Silly me, forgetting that. lol

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:04 pm

I once told a coworker of mine, "God creating life without evolution would have been like him creating Adam without any immune system." He thought that was amusing. Natural selection (a term I actually prefer to "evolution" because it is a stabilizing factor more often than a force of change) is a necessary part of life. Not only is it an inevitable result of basic properties of living things - genetic variation, heredity, and competition, but without it detrimental mutations would build up and kill us all. There is no absolutely proven evolutionary timeline, so there is plenty of room for philisophically minded people to postulate, but it is silly to ignore that which is right under your nose.

Another thing to consider is the development of the earth itself. A period of microbial organisms on the early earth was a necessary step to create a habitible planet. Photosynthetic bacteria created Earth's oxygen rich atmosphere and consumed the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide. The earth would almost certainly be very different today - probably like Venus - if it hadn't been for this.

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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:21 pm

Circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works.

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