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Perhaps first you should have spelt out what socialism is

Socialism in a few specific minor doses is good. that being said I dont agree with farmers being subsidized though they make up half my family. Medicaid should be scrapped befor it bankrupts us and medicare should be done in a more cost effecient way but ocerall is good. as far as medicen in general instead of socializing to counter the high prices, reform in needs to happen like lowering the number of malpractice lawsuites.
I loved how Obama at his Healthcare news confrence brought up a guy who after surgery had a 10,000 dollar debt. is it just me or is it strange that a guy who after life saving surgery has would complain about the price of saving his life.

socialism looks nice on paper until things like the price tag come up or rationing of healthcarestart or the insane taxes to pay for said pricetag. socialism does get a bad rap from the red scare but rightfully so, under socialism the goverment gets more responsibility and the powers to handle it eventualy with the powers socialismhands goverment only curruption and authoritarianism rise. just look at the english goverment they already decide what and what not can be on the radio and tv limiting frre speech.

in short, as a whole, socialism doesent work.

Yeah, I saw that on the Michael Moore movie, Sicko. A documentary on the health care system. It was pretty good except that Moore really lays it on thick.

I think at the point though, that the UK, a perfectly capitalist, rich country, can have the NHS and a good rail system....we could too.

I've heard the exact opposite, and the same with France and Canada too.

I just had a buddy come back from Canada who, while there, broke is leg. He got into a doctor within a few minutes a left in about an hours. Frankly, that's way better than most places can say in this country. It all depends though where you are in a given country.

well having rid on their rail system I can agree they have a good one but from what I've heard they arnt to crazy about the NHS.
I've heard the exact opposite, and the same with France and Canada too. there was a guy there who broke his ankle so he went to see a doctor and was put on a long waiting list. he asked if he could at least have pain killers and they just told him to wait his turn.

Rand Paul an optomitrist was saying the most commen eye desease can be prevented with a certain drug but in england because not every one could offord it they banned it until a large enough uproar straightend things out.

is that realy the road we want to go down? there is a reason the engilsh cannot get rid of it the NHS, it is the 3rd largest employer in the world. can you emagin how many more people it would take to operate here? it could turn out to be the worst idea since hitlers russia invasion and it would be cemented in becuase of fear of laying off millions. there are english politicians I hear all the time saying we are folling the same mistakes of the labour party and its ruining their nation. there may be a few who like there NHS but to the people who have a treatable cancer that dont get the care they need or to those who are turned down from rationed care the NHS is a nightmare.

Honestly dude, I wait in line in the US as well. On a busy day in a big city, people with broken ankles will wait behind people who have trouble breathing whether your country is socialist or capitalist.
I am very sceptical of "there was a guy" stories. A. it is just one guy, with no details. Where was he? which hospital? What time of day? Big city, small city, old hospital, new hospital.....there are seriously like 160 things that could have caused his wait. and B. where did this story come from? a pundit? it is too easy to hunt down a single case like this and then use it as an example with no context in a media campaign targeted at people who grew up during the red scare and say, "see what nonsense the socialists are doing now?"

Also...who BANNS a drug because "not everyone" can afford it? are you sure you have the details of that story straight?

There are English politicians who say NHS is ruining their country...how much you wanna bet they are rich and would just love to invest in an insurance company? There are ALSO many English politicians who say if you touch their NHS, there will be revolts.

The worst idea since hitler's invasion?... It could also be the best idea since penicillin. Unwarranted assertions like this don't sway me.If you look at english polls the labour party that defend the NHS is about to lose there majority by double digits. and Banned was a mistatement the NHS refused to give that certain eye drug. Yes there is lines so the salution is to make them longer? an expasion of those coverd by 40-50 million with out first encreased numbers of doctors would be an epic fail on the goverments part. I like thatchers take on it, “The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money”
–Margaret Thatcher.

well look deeper into uk statistics, you would find that certain kinds of cancer were the survival rate here is 100% when in the uk its only in the 70's, same in canada. longer waiting lines means that some people still wont get care because they would die while waiting to see the doctor, or if they quite literaly win a lottery and see them they have to wait for the treatment way longer than here. is our health costs perfect here? no it isint but the treatment itself by far trumps any socialized version. know matter what kind you use there will always people screwed over, in socialisms case its the youngest, the oldest and the termanily ill, in our case its the very poor and the doctors who get sued for any reason stupid or not.