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vegito61283

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 12:15 pm


This is for the discussion of the NFC East teams for their fans. I being an Eagles fan and Lap being a Giants fan know the amount of homerism that is out there out of our respective fellow fan bases and we know how to look at the situation evenly as well. So for all fans of the NFC East teams, let talk football here.
PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 2:21 pm


Cowboys will win, nuff said

Austin Shipp


vegito61283

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 3:21 pm


Austin Shipp
Cowboys will win, nuff said


Love the enthusiasm. I really do. I remember being like that and not viewing the glaring needs at the positions back in the 90's and early 2000's.


Dallas Cowboys Needs and Holes-

WR. They had TO and then actually got worse when they got Roy Williams. This position is more a self inflicted hole than a need. If Roy Williams pans out to what he was in Detriot, then they have a very effective WR Corps and the best in the NFC East just a step ahead of what Philly has. Both those teams will be a by-committee team when it comes to recieving and in my opinion that is the most dangerous because no opposing team will know who will hurt them more from one play to another.

RB. Now Austin, I know you will say I am wrong, but honestly I really think they have to prove something this year. Last year they were a good close to above average rushing team until Jones went down and Barber seemed to want to stay away from running up the gut which is his strenght. He did have a few good runs, but all of those were where he had blockers in front and almost no broken tackles on his part. Jones needs to show that he will be physically back as well as mentally back from his injury. Choice is the only RB that really looks like he will have a bright bright future. He runs like Westbrook, recieves like Westbrook and does everything else that a great RB is supposed to do. Choice may actually push for an expanded role if he continues off of last year. Once again, only a self inflicted hole if they dont pick it up considering the down note they had.

Safety. This position is a need. They let go of Roy Williams. Good move on any account due to the changing of the game as well as letting a guy who could not play his position properly. He is a great hitter, there is no doubt about that. But at the same time this was a player who was as much a liability as he was an effective player. Injuries made him worse and that about sums it up. The biggest problem is that they did nothing to properly replace him and nothing to even upgrade the position.

These are the positions that are off the top of my head at the moment. Will look more into it when I am not chasing my daughter around. LOL
PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 7:55 pm


I hate the entire NFC East, except for Philadelphia (I am ambivalent towards them in general, but I like McNabb) so I think I am impartial... biggrin

I disagree with Dallas needing a running back. I'm just not seeing your Marion Barber hate, though I freely admit I didn't see the tendency that you have stated and I could be wrong about this.

But on something I'm more sure of, I'd add this one: Quarterback. Tony Romo is about as overrated as I have seen. He's essentially Trent Dilfer: an average, nothing-special NFL quarterback. There's nothing wrong with that, except the media treats him like an uberstar because of his love life and the logo on his helmet. If the Cowboys want to win a Super Bowl, they must upgrade here; Romo isn't going to cut it. He offers no leadership and has no special qualities that make him stand out on the field. Alternatively, they can get a 2000 Ravens-esque defense that is so dominant that Jerry Jones could play QB himself and they'd win. It's probably easier to just upgrade the QB, especially now that there are options available. I'd be very surprised if, assuming the Cowboys don't surprise everyone and actually *gasp* win a playoff game next year, they didn't make a run at one of the signal callers available in next year's draft.

Practisite


Austin Shipp

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:44 pm


Practisite
I hate the entire NFC East, except for Philadelphia (I am ambivalent towards them in general, but I like McNabb) so I think I am impartial... biggrin

I disagree with Dallas needing a running back. I'm just not seeing your Marion Barber hate, though I freely admit I didn't see the tendency that you have stated and I could be wrong about this.

But on something I'm more sure of, I'd add this one: Quarterback. Tony Romo is about as overrated as I have seen. He's essentially Trent Dilfer: an average, nothing-special NFL quarterback. There's nothing wrong with that, except the media treats him like an uberstar because of his love life and the logo on his helmet. If the Cowboys want to win a Super Bowl, they must upgrade here; Romo isn't going to cut it. He offers no leadership and has no special qualities that make him stand out on the field. Alternatively, they can get a 2000 Ravens-esque defense that is so dominant that Jerry Jones could play QB himself and they'd win. It's probably easier to just upgrade the QB, especially now that there are options available. I'd be very surprised if, assuming the Cowboys don't surprise everyone and actually *gasp* win a playoff game next year, they didn't make a run at one of the signal callers available in next year's draft.


have you ever actually watched romo play?
PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 8:26 am


Austin Shipp
Practisite
I hate the entire NFC East, except for Philadelphia (I am ambivalent towards them in general, but I like McNabb) so I think I am impartial... biggrin

I disagree with Dallas needing a running back. I'm just not seeing your Marion Barber hate, though I freely admit I didn't see the tendency that you have stated and I could be wrong about this.

But on something I'm more sure of, I'd add this one: Quarterback. Tony Romo is about as overrated as I have seen. He's essentially Trent Dilfer: an average, nothing-special NFL quarterback. There's nothing wrong with that, except the media treats him like an uberstar because of his love life and the logo on his helmet. If the Cowboys want to win a Super Bowl, they must upgrade here; Romo isn't going to cut it. He offers no leadership and has no special qualities that make him stand out on the field. Alternatively, they can get a 2000 Ravens-esque defense that is so dominant that Jerry Jones could play QB himself and they'd win. It's probably easier to just upgrade the QB, especially now that there are options available. I'd be very surprised if, assuming the Cowboys don't surprise everyone and actually *gasp* win a playoff game next year, they didn't make a run at one of the signal callers available in next year's draft.


have you ever actually watched romo play?


Hey Austin, you have to admit I pretty good guaging much of Dallas on this. And Romo is a Pro-Bowl caliber player as long as he does not have the issues that TO gave him and he gets a good snap.
Parctisite, I am not hating on Barber, but he is not that good going down field without an actual blocking wall. He is only really good for getting those extra few yards and the short yardage TD's. That is why they picked up Felix Jones last year in the draft. They wanted someone who could be a break open in the middle of the field RB.

vegito61283


Practisite

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 10:42 am


Austin Shipp

have you ever actually watched romo play?


The Cowboys are on national TV all the time, so yes. Frequently. Explain to me how special he is, then. I've seen him have a couple good games, and some stinkers, but he's not consistent enough to be considered a top-tier QB. He's Danny White 2K9.
PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 5:22 pm


Practisite
Austin Shipp

have you ever actually watched romo play?


The Cowboys are on national TV all the time, so yes. Frequently. Explain to me how special he is, then. I've seen him have a couple good games, and some stinkers, but he's not consistent enough to be considered a top-tier QB. He's Danny White 2K9.


In your argument, you could throw in Dovan McNabb. Even though that could be due to having sub-par recievers until the past two season, he was always on the lower side of the stats. And dont call him Danny White. I have watched the Cowboys in more ways than you can think. Romo is good, he just have isht Playcalling.

vegito61283


miles18

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 12:02 pm


Greetings. Cowboys fan here as well. As always, I'm looking forward to that first game come next season. For me, its always about the injury factor to key players because its been constant throughout the years. I see Da Boys finishing either 11-5 or 10-6 AND winning the division.
I believe this offense will be good enough to take this team far. How I see it, there's a triple threat in the RB position. You know about Marion Barber, and in the games where Felix Jones was healthy and active, you can see there's some potential there with him.

Then there's Tashard Choice. For an Eagles fan to say he has a bright bright future, That kinda surprises me. Vegito, I remember last season I got ripped for saying that Tashard Choice had a stellar performance in the game against Pittsburgh, the #1 defense in the league, at the time. Choice was a #3 back and he had a better game against them than some so-called premier RBs that took on their defense.

As for our WR corps. You can't go wrong with Jason Witten of course, and I welcome the addition of Roy Williams. I'm definitely excited to see what Miles Austin and Martellus Bennett will bring to the table this year. Austin's biggest highlights from last year was a TD vs. the Redskins, and 2 big plays against the Packers, one of which involving the deep ball that was caught and ran in for the TD.
PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 1:50 pm


miles18
Greetings. Cowboys fan here as well. As always, I'm looking forward to that first game come next season. For me, its always about the injury factor to key players because its been constant throughout the years. I see Da Boys finishing either 11-5 or 10-6 AND winning the division.
I believe this offense will be good enough to take this team far. How I see it, there's a triple threat in the RB position. You know about Marion Barber, and in the games where Felix Jones was healthy and active, you can see there's some potential there with him.

Then there's Tashard Choice. For an Eagles fan to say he has a bright bright future, That kinda surprises me. Vegito, I remember last season I got ripped for saying that Tashard Choice had a stellar performance in the game against Pittsburgh, the #1 defense in the league, at the time. Choice was a #3 back and he had a better game against them than some so-called premier RBs that took on their defense.

As for our WR corps. You can't go wrong with Jason Witten of course, and I welcome the addition of Roy Williams. I'm definitely excited to see what Miles Austin and Martellus Bennett will bring to the table this year. Austin's biggest highlights from last year was a TD vs. the Redskins, and 2 big plays against the Packers, one of which involving the deep ball that was caught and ran in for the TD.


Witten and Williams and Crayton are really the only threats in the recieving lane and all three of the RB's are more than capable to making a team pay. BUT....

1. Witten is the only real proven "THREAT" to defenses that they must really pay attention. Williams did nothing to prove he was a real threat, although he will finally have a season and offseason to prove everyone wrong. So have to keep that judgment till later. Crayton is streaky. He has not been able to keep his performance consistent from one week to the next that that is what is keeping him from being an above average number two to even a long possibility of a low level number 1.

2. Barber has shown that he can play as a number one, but he has to uuse his blocking to get anything. That makes him vulnerable to "FAST" defense. They can get behind him and tackle. That is why Philly, NYG were able to take him almost out of the game save for a couple of big plays. Everyone no matter how bad gets a few of them with those amount of carries he got last year. Jones like I have said numerous times has the potential to be that change of pace back. BUT again, he must prove that he is physically and mentally over that injury. The injury he suffered has ended many careers and even over numerous upon numerous occasions made those players either become career backups and not as effective as they may have been or retire. Now Choice is an interesting player. He has shown something that only a few players in football have done. He has the ability to be patient AND intelligent about seeing how things may turn out if he took that hole or that angle. There have really only been a few RB's in the past decade that have done that. B. Westbrook, L. Tomlinson, B. Sanders, M. Faulk just to name a few.

Now the defense for your team should have you worried. I know many dont think as I do and even vehemently condemn them. With the losses of what they have to endure and the taking over of the defense by Wade Phillips, things will be very different than they were last year. They do still have an imposing D-Line with Ware up there helping out. If they lose Ware, they lose their Defense period though. He is everything they are on Defense. They are also are weak in one area. They have to commit a certain more players against the opponents strength and therefore they are weaker against the other. So say they play a team that is Strong on Passing, they will counter by adding an extra 2 to help. Then say that team is also strong on rush but not as much pass, that team will have a field day rushing up and down the field on dallas. That has shown many times last year.

And thanks for the shout out, but I try my best to see everything and he does remind me of Brian Westbrook. You better hope they use him the way he should be used instead of wrongly or not at all. As for all Eagles fan, lets all hope the opposite. LMFAO

vegito61283


vegito61283

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:45 pm


Philadelphia has signed on the former Dallas DC Brian Stewart to be an special assistant DC. He will be in to help Sean McDermott by mostly working with the DB's and any other little thing that may need some attention while McDermott fills in for the great JJ. It seems as if JJ will be sitting out most if not all of the season unless his treatment takes on faster than expected.

Now needing to say this before I go on with what I feel, Stewart has had success in the league. He helped to keep Dallas's defense in contention to be a top 10 defense. But I as I understand why and may possibly be a good thing for Philly, I do not like this move. I believe that with him being a former DC, he will want to take more innitiative than he should be and try to take over the defense instead of sticking with his job. Now if he does his job and gives his pointers to McDermott, things might work out very very well for Philly. Well I will touch on this more when I get to Philly and the Dallas reviews in my Youtube show. Just go to the NFL Blog Show thread and look for my attatchment.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:33 am


From a Cowboys fan persepctive, I think they will win, but meanwhile, I think every team in that division besides the Redskins, have a chance to take that division.

Now hear me out. I can rant all day about the Redskins just like the Raiders. But just like the Raiders, the main thing thats holding them as a team back has his own office. Al Davis for the Raiders and Jim Zorn for the Redskins. Jim Zorn brught a very young talented group of teams to a 6-2 record yet dissapointed them by going 2-6 for the next eight games. "They got Albert Haynesworth," you might say, but what team int that division doesn't have a solid OL?

TBC x CptCanada


vegito61283

PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:28 pm


TBC x CptCanada
From a Cowboys fan persepctive, I think they will win, but meanwhile, I think every team in that division besides the Redskins, have a chance to take that division.

Now hear me out. I can rant all day about the Redskins just like the Raiders. But just like the Raiders, the main thing thats holding them as a team back has his own office. Al Davis for the Raiders and Jim Zorn for the Redskins. Jim Zorn brught a very young talented group of teams to a 6-2 record yet dissapointed them by going 2-6 for the next eight games. "They got Albert Haynesworth," you might say, but what team int that division doesn't have a solid OL?


I hope you meant DL with that last comment. Otherwise you will have to look more into the NFL.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:31 am


Brian Westbrook has had minor non-structural surgery on his ankle. He will be out from about 3-9 weeks at most.

vegito61283


Dragonic King of kings

PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:53 am


Austin Shipp
Cowboys will win, nuff said


oh really remember 44-6 eagles over cowboys.
now i respect the cowboys but i dont really like them.
same with the giants.
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