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 Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:20 pm
Girl mom is a forum website for young mothers so that they can get support and feel accepted by people like them. Sounds great, right? Sure, if you're pro-choice. To quote two paragraphs from the site;Quote: We are not attempting to "silence your opinon" and do not feel as if the pro-choice nature of the site is intended to dictate other's personal beliefs to them. What we are doing is ensuring that mothers who have had abortions never have to feel as if their choices are being questioned, and never feel judged, ridiculed or shamed for those choices while visiting GirlMom.com. Be anti-abortion all you want, just don't talk about it at GirlMom.com. There are many, many other places for you to discuss your anti-choice beliefs; there are no other places for young mothers to feel safe in discussing their abortions. If you call abortion "gruesome" or "murder" or "immoral" or any variation of these judgements, you will be asked to stop. If you make judgement calls as to what types of abortions are "allowable" in your eyes, or discuss cut-off dates for "moral abortions", you will be asked to stop. If you make any statement that makes a mother who has had an abortion feel uncomfortable, judged, ridiculed or shamed, you will be asked to stop. This is in response to repeated requests by the members of this board who have had abortions. They do not feel safe if they are being judged and questioned, even subtly or indirectly. Even if you don't realize you are doing it, very often, you are hurting them. If you do not refrain, after warning, from this hurtful language, you will be asked to leave the message board while you rethink your actions. If you cannot do so, you will be banned.
I agree that the site should make the people on it feel comfortable in their environment and should speak out against personal attacks against women, however they won't even allow discussion of the topic to deviate from one "set truth". I'm sorry ladies and gentlemen but if you claim to HELP people and then turn around and supress them from having an opinion that you deem wrong (as shown here) you're nothing more than a manipulative figure-head, acting under the guise of someone who truely cares about others.
Folks not everyone who has gone through a teenage pregnancy is pro-choice and alienating them simply because they're pro-life is no better than alienating them because they have a child.
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:25 pm
That statement makes me want to go on there and heckle mothers who've had abortions.
And I'm me and I haven't ever had the urge to do ANYTHING of the sort until I read that. Because women don't deserve that kinda cruddy treatment.
It's the rebel in me. It's angry.
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:13 pm
lymelady That statement makes me want to go on there and heckle mothers who've had abortions. And I'm me and I haven't ever had the urge to do ANYTHING of the sort until I read that. Because women don't deserve that kinda cruddy treatment. It's the rebel in me. It's angry.
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:16 pm
Beware the Jabberwock lymelady That statement makes me want to go on there and heckle mothers who've had abortions. And I'm me and I haven't ever had the urge to do ANYTHING of the sort until I read that. Because women don't deserve that kinda cruddy treatment. It's the rebel in me. It's angry. That works better. I could go give birth to go there xd
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:40 pm
The moderaters of that site must be truly disturbed. What's so harmful about Pro-Lifers? It's not like we're "Anti-Choice". We're just giving it to the child, because we (or I) believe it should be everyone's choice whether they want to end their own life or not - no one else's. Of course, I think all it would take is a link to to those pictures at AbortionisMurder.com, and the mothers might actually re-think what they feel about the choices they've made. But no, it wouldn't be allowed on that side. Pro-Lifers never get any respect. And yes, the site isn't a debating site, of course. But still. If Pro-Lifers were able to join, who's to say they wouldn't comfort the Mom's who chose to do such horrible things? If they need conforting, it's only plausible to think that they probably regret it already, anyway, right? Maybe we wouldn't need to use the pictures, after all.
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:50 pm
Lorysa The moderaters of that site must be truly disturbed. What's so harmful about Pro-Lifers? It's not like we're "Anti-Choice". We're just giving it to the child, because we (or I) believe it should be everyone's choice whether they want to end their own life or not - no one else's. Of course, I think all it would take is a link to to those pictures at AbortionisMurder.com, and the mothers might actually re-think what they feel about the choices they've made. But no, it wouldn't be allowed on that side. Pro-Lifers never get any respect. And yes, the site isn't a debating site, of course. But still. If Pro-Lifers were able to join, who's to say they wouldn't comfort the Mom's who chose to do such horrible things? If they need conforting, it's only plausible to think that they probably regret it already, anyway, right? Maybe we wouldn't need to use the pictures, after all.
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:03 pm
Beware the Jabberwock Lorysa The moderaters of that site must be truly disturbed. What's so harmful about Pro-Lifers? It's not like we're "Anti-Choice". We're just giving it to the child, because we (or I) believe it should be everyone's choice whether they want to end their own life or not - no one else's. Of course, I think all it would take is a link to to those pictures at AbortionisMurder.com, and the mothers might actually re-think what they feel about the choices they've made. But no, it wouldn't be allowed on that side. Pro-Lifers never get any respect. And yes, the site isn't a debating site, of course. But still. If Pro-Lifers were able to join, who's to say they wouldn't comfort the Mom's who chose to do such horrible things? If they need conforting, it's only plausible to think that they probably regret it already, anyway, right? Maybe we wouldn't need to use the pictures, after all.
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:14 pm
Skipping over the "anti-choice" rant ( scream ):
Quote: ...there are no other places for young mothers to feel safe in discussing their abortions.
That is a blatant lie and a flimsy excuse for the decision to censor pro-life people. I've ended up on many sites that support women who've had abortions. Heck, I bet if I searched I could find more communities than I could count on LiveJournal for women who are pro-choice and/or who have had abortions, and that's just one community oriented site. This is the internet; it's not that hard to find anything, espcially when it comes to an issue like this.
If I were a young mother, as a pro-life person, I would feel very uncomfortable on that site. I would worry all the time about what I was saying, because some woman who has had an abortion might decide she doesn't like me and claim I've hurt her feelings, and I could end up banned. I wouldn't be able to do anything about it, because this site has decided that pro-choice women are deserving of more portection than pro-life women, no matter what they may say in that statement.
I can understand not accepting people verbally abusing women who have had abortions, but my stating that I think abortion is "not allowable" is not an attack on anyone. If someone who has had an abortion takes it as such, they are the one who has issues with their decision and they need to deal with it.
A professional criminal does not care that society thinks that what they do is wrong. They don't care, because they don't see it as wrong, and saying that I think it is wrong is not going to affect them. Only people who feel they have reason to be guilty will react to a simple statment about the morality of an act.
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:35 am
Do they not consider that what a lot of the girls in that site really need is to realize what they've done is wrong and find repentance and forgiveness. This could apply to any sin, for example when I lie(for an unjustifiable reason) I feel guilty and upset. Instead of telling myself that its okay and lying is not a sin, I regret what I've done and I work past it. Justifying does not help these women nearly as much as repentance. So why silence those who are trying to help them? The simple answer is that they are trying to push a political point, and not at all interesting in how these women feel. They are selfish beyond all belief, only interested in trying to prove they are right.
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:39 am
karllikespies Do they not consider that what a lot of the girls in that site really need is to realize what they've done is wrong and find repentance and forgiveness. This could apply to any sin, for example when I lie(for an unjustifiable reason) I feel guilty and upset. Instead of telling myself that its okay and lying is not a sin, I regret what I've done and I work past it. Justifying does not help these women nearly as much as repentance. So why silence those who are trying to help them? The simple answer is that they are trying to push a political point, and not at all interesting in how these women feel. They are selfish beyond all belief, only interested in trying to prove they are right.
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 1:31 pm
Beware the Jabberwock karllikespies Do they not consider that what a lot of the girls in that site really need is to realize what they've done is wrong and find repentance and forgiveness. This could apply to any sin, for example when I lie(for an unjustifiable reason) I feel guilty and upset. Instead of telling myself that its okay and lying is not a sin, I regret what I've done and I work past it. Justifying does not help these women nearly as much as repentance. So why silence those who are trying to help them? The simple answer is that they are trying to push a political point, and not at all interesting in how these women feel. They are selfish beyond all belief, only interested in trying to prove they are right. Thats true also, I'm just more worried about the damage that they are doing to the women.
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:59 pm
Women in the situation of abortion either feel guilty (some times deep down) or they don't. If they don't feel guilty chances are nothing we have to say is going to change that (although we shouldn't be striving for guilt, we should be striving for them to understand what they have done was wrong but there's nothing they can do about it now. We don't want to break them, just make them understand that it's NOT an okay thing to do, or condone) and the ones who do feel guilty will eventually figure out why there is guilt pressing on them. Others who feel guilty already know why and thus shut themself off from any form of reasoning other than there own.
An example of this found here. I firmly believe the woman who was speaking out so harshly against this poem is shielding herself from any idea beyond what she can be comfortable with having had an abortion.
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:14 pm
Eve And that's well and good HOWEVER posting something that personifies a fetus is really unacceptable in a place where women come to talk about their expieirences with abortion. I think some one needs to popst the definition of what a child is and what the word child means...
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:37 pm
Beware the Jabberwock Women in the situation of abortion either feel guilty (some times deep down) or they don't. If they don't feel guilty chances are nothing we have to say is going to change that (although we shouldn't be striving for guilt, we should be striving for them to understand what they have done was wrong but there's nothing they can do about it now. We don't want to break them, just make them understand that it's NOT an okay thing to do, or condone) and the ones who do feel guilty will eventually figure out why there is guilt pressing on them. Others who feel guilty already know why and thus shut themself off from any form of reasoning other than there own.
An example of this found here. I firmly believe the woman who was speaking out so harshly against this poem is shielding herself from any idea beyond what she can be comfortable with having had an abortion. I understand what you mean, I don't want to go on making people feel guilty I only want to console those that do.
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:51 pm
Quote: it isn't hard, as an artist, as a public artist, to reflect about all the potential connotations of a word/word choice and choose carefully.
Ugh. As an artist that line offends me. Art is not always about making a political statement. If that is your intention, good for you, but for a lot of people art is a personal expression. To expect a person to de-personalize a poem because someone might be offended is against the very idea of art, especially when the art is from the person's soul.
That whole thread just made me sick. They can't even respect the way a woman feels about her child; they just want to respect their political agenda. No wonder they can justify abortion to themselves.
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