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Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 5:56 pm
So I know of two different origins stories for the transformers race. Theres the Quintessons creation and the Primus creation.
With the Quintessons they built Cybertron and the transformers and the two factions before they had names the old autobots were the scientist and workers, the decepticons the soldiers and gladiators. When the Quintessons left Cybertron for some reason the transformers grow on there own.
And in the Primus story he made the transformers and that was that.
Ive read some were (sorry I cant remember were) that the Quintessons found cybertron and enslaved the young race of transformers, and again left for some reason.
So I ask you with origin do you favor.
I prefer the Primus creation story for the fact that transformers have a strong religious overtone.
Side note the bay movie origins also fallows that the autobots were scientist, the decepticons were soldiers, before the great war.
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Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 8:10 pm
I don't know, they've both got their ups and downs.
The Quintesson origin has the benefit of explaining the presence of female Cybertronians. If Autobots were originally consumer products, there would be a demand for ones with apparently female features and personalities to fill roles like maid, or secretary, or whatever, depending on the tastes and social climate of the species you happen to be marketing to at the time.
But if Primus and Unicron are truly multiversal singularities, as has been made canon, then Primus must have created the original Transformers even in the G1 cartoon continuity, which means that the Quintessons cannot have made the Cybertronians without Primus' involvement. Ain't retcons a b***h? xd
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 1:59 am
I think they explianed the female Transformers pretty well in IDW. A mad scienctist saw that other races had multuiple genders and decided to mess with some of their 'males' and make em 'females'
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:43 am
Hino Recca I think they explianed the female Transformers pretty well in IDW. A mad scienctist saw that other races had multuiple genders and decided to mess with some of their 'males' and make em 'females' But that raises the also irritating question of why a robotic race has a DNA analogue in the first place. Also I'm not sure how canon the Primus did it all retcon is since Primus is mostly a no show in IDW and completely missing from the movie and animated continuities now. It hasn't officially been rescinded and Revenge of the Fallen could change things but will have to wait and see.
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 8:04 am
I side with the Quintesson and their work. I'm sure Primus had a hand in the play considering he's suppose to be the planet they are on and that's probably the initial beginnings of life. That being said I feel that Primus was dormant when the Qintessons arrived and thus as they were creating this species while Primus was slowly evolving. Plus this would line up similar to the Beast Wars series with the Vok mrgreen
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 11:20 am
With the Quintesson it explains why there are other transformers out in the universe
Junkions & sharkticon
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 6:10 pm
ObsidianWolfX But that raises the also irritating question of why a robotic race has a DNA analogue in the first place. Could be the often-overlooked Third Origin. Transformers evolved from naturally occurring gears and pulleys. (I wish I were making this up. xd ) Quote: Also I'm not sure how canon the Primus did it all retcon is since Primus is mostly a no show in IDW and completely missing from the movie and animated continuities now. It hasn't officially been rescinded and Revenge of the Fallen could change things but will have to wait and see. See, that's the beauty of the Multiversal Singularity. Primus is in all universes, and is the same entity in all of them. And so is Unicron. Even in continuities that never mention them. So in the Movie-verse, Primus must be sleeping at Cybertron's core even if they never mention him, and Planet Unicron is floating out there somewhere even if he's somehow dormant.
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 9:22 pm
in the movie movie origin comics the transformeres were made by a group to help care for them and the all spark, i need to find them and reread them.
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 12:52 am
Ok so I reread the movies origin comic, first the allspark made a race few in number unnamed but im thinking it’s the original 13, later the allspark made the transformers and the 1st race used them as workers.
One of the first race didn’t want to shear the power of the allspark again im guessing The Fallon, betrayed the other and the transformers sealed him away.
Now im going to get a little sidetrack
the allspark is not unlimited in power it needs to be recharged by killing a sun, the first race used a machine to do this.
This machine is on earth and thats way the allspark and so many more transformers are coming to earth.
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 9:19 am
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 1:46 pm
Mylian ObsidianWolfX But that raises the also irritating question of why a robotic race has a DNA analogue in the first place. Could be the often-overlooked Third Origin. Transformers evolved from naturally occurring gears and pulleys. (I wish I were making this up. xd ) I remember that one. Quote: Quote: Also I'm not sure how canon the Primus did it all retcon is since Primus is mostly a no show in IDW and completely missing from the movie and animated continuities now. It hasn't officially been rescinded and Revenge of the Fallen could change things but will have to wait and see. See, that's the beauty of the Multiversal Singularity. Primus is in all universes, and is the same entity in all of them. And so is Unicron. Even in continuities that never mention them. So in the Movie-verse, Primus must be sleeping at Cybertron's core even if they never mention him, and Planet Unicron is floating out there somewhere even if he's somehow dormant. Except Furman has gone on record IIRC of saying that Primus won't be showing up in IDW as the Transformers god this time around.. Frankly the simple fact is Transformers continuity is fluid and changes constantly with each new version of canon.
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 12:37 am

The idea of Primus is nice, but being built by the Quintessons makes more sense. I mean, if not, then why have gender, or why look humanoid at all? If they were built as merchandise, then that would explain this a lot better than the Transformers version of "God did it."
Although, none of the recent continuities really addressed the origin of Cybertronians. Maybe the new movie will (it's a possibility, since old Fallen is ooooold.) But I'm interested to see if the IDW-verse will go there.
Also, Swindle is baffled by Swindle being merchandise. razz
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 7:20 pm
Just because he won't be "showing up" it doesn't counter the retcon. all that means is that the IDW-verse Cybertronians themselves don't know anything about Primus.
I agree that the story of the Transformers is fluid between continuities. Perhaps that should have been considered before somebody wrote into canon a facet that outright states it affects all continuities, but that ain't my problem, I didn't do it. xd
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:47 am
Mylian Just because he won't be "showing up" it doesn't counter the retcon. all that means is that the IDW-verse Cybertronians themselves don't know anything about Primus. I agree that the story of the Transformers is fluid between continuities. Perhaps that should have been considered before somebody wrote into canon a facet that outright states it affects all continuities, but that ain't my problem, I didn't do it. xd Yeah but now the very ones who wrote it up are ignoring it. And According to Takara it all takes place in the same Timeline anyway. Transformers canon is a mess. always has been and always will be. There are two ways for something to no longer be canon it can be retconed or it can be ignored. A famous example is when Marvel decided to just ignore the Angel Punisher storyline. They didn't retcon it they just decided it no longer applied.
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:44 pm
True.
And to Mei, Swindle's a Decepticon. Technically he would be Military Hardware, not merchandise.
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