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 Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:31 pm
Okay, well I set up a playlist side by side on my iPod of the highlights of the soundtrack from PotO on Broadway from 87, and from the film in 2004. So I would listen to each piece and compare the similarities and differences in the singing and orchestration.
My notes in General:
Butler seemed to be more expressive especially in All I Ask of You and Down Once More/Track sing the Phantom as slightly more... I can't really place it... less angry... more...confident that he's holding all the cards... something like that
They seemed to lower the score for Rossum >.> I don't like Rossum
The movie music was easier to listen to, but less intricate on the orchestration. Mostly because I think it was aimed at people who are less sophisticated. I loved the movie by the way, but I think more people would see the movie than go to Broadway.
Think of Me:
I do not like whoever played Raoul on Broadway.. he sounds way too old, but he seemed to be on par as far as expression goes with Wilson.
They changed the final verse in the movie which I really liked better. "Flowers fade, the fruits of summer fade, they have their seasons so do we"
Angel of Music:
It seemed much faster on Broadway... I liked that, that's all I could really get for that one
The Mirror:
Butler seemed to be more expressive and angry...see above
The Phantom of the Opera:
This is the one thing that truly screams 80s, I'm mad about how they dropped "In all your fantasies you always knew, that man and mystery/are both in you..." etcetera. That was a very good line. The orchestration was easier to listen to in the movie.
Music of the Night:
Ironically it was Broadway that deviated from the script this time, but I liked it so much better. "Close your eyes for your eyes will only tell the truth..." It was a deeper more emotional song.
I'll probably add more later but I'm kinda tired right now.
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 7:32 pm
Music of the Night is about sex, though; but, not to the degree that Point of No Return is. The film, of course, plays up anything and everything sensual in the play, so your friend was not wrong in thinking so.
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:11 pm
Hmn... goddamn I hate my mom. You see, I heard it for the first time when I was 9ish so she did everything to hide the fact that it was about sex from me... so that kind of stuck...she always talks around sex in music... like she told my brother "the meat is cheap in Saigon" meant human life was not valued. (Our two favorite musicals in my Family are PotO and Miss Saigon)
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:45 am
fuokohopin Music of the Night is about sex, though; but, not to the degree that Point of No Return is. The film, of course, plays up anything and everything sensual in the play, so your friend was not wrong in thinking so.
Actually....(and I'm taking this from some one else on the phan guild but I don't remember who) Music of the Night is more of a "Oh I'm the phantom, see how sad I am....love me anyways?" and Point of No Return is more of a "You! Pants off! NOW!"
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:29 am
Red_Death_Stalking fuokohopin Music of the Night is about sex, though; but, not to the degree that Point of No Return is. The film, of course, plays up anything and everything sensual in the play, so your friend was not wrong in thinking so. Actually....(and I'm taking this from some one else on the phan guild but I don't remember who) Music of the Night is more of a "Oh I'm the phantom, see how sad I am....love me anyways?" and Point of No Return is more of a "You! Pants off! NOW!" XD I love that. MotN depends on interpretation I think.
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:42 am
Red_Death_Stalking fuokohopin Music of the Night is about sex, though; but, not to the degree that Point of No Return is. The film, of course, plays up anything and everything sensual in the play, so your friend was not wrong in thinking so. Actually....(and I'm taking this from some one else on the phan guild but I don't remember who) Music of the Night is more of a "Oh I'm the phantom, see how sad I am....love me anyways?" and Point of No Return is more of a "You! Pants off! NOW!" I don't know about all of that that, some of the lines are a bit too, ah, colored for it to be simply "I'm sad and lonely so love me"... but I do agree, that's part of the reason, but Music of the Night is still filled with innuendo. I can't remember what Butler does in the film at this part, but I know in the musical and beginning of the "Floating, falling" verse, the Phantom is, in fact, feeling Christine up. The original choreography for a couple of the bits has some undiscussed tension to it, in that regard. No matter how tame your Phantom is, that's exactly what he's doing. Of course, this is no where near Point of No Return's level -- you can't do that on a first date -- but it's more of a precusor than anything else. He's seducing her -- grooming her -- plain and simple. While it might begin innocent, it ends a little less so. It really depends on your Phantom, though, I suppose. Some make the entire song more innocent and some are tightly restrained sex monsters. That's simply how I've always seen the song, personally. No, not PONR level, but more like a schoolboy's fantasy that's being given a shot. I don't think this makes any sense in the end, I'm sorry.
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:14 am
I admitt that I like most of the singing on the 2004 movie, but my heart will always lie with Michael Crawford as The Phantom. Also, when I saw it the first time in Denver, Brad Little played the Phantom and he did an amazing job, he was so passionet up on the stage!
And you're right Fuoko, The Phantom does feel Christne up during that part of the song and also when he sings" Touch me, trust me, sweet intoxication....." The part where I blush the most is Duan Juan Trimuphant where Carlotta and the Chorus sing "poor young maiden! for the thrill on your tongue of stolen sweets, you will have to pay the bill- tangled in the winding sheets! serve the meal and serve the maid!" Because it's so......blunt.
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:17 pm
Shura-Pendragon I admitt that I like most of the singing on the 2004 movie, but my heart will always lie with Michael Crawford as The Phantom. Also, when I see it the first time in Denver, Brad Little played the Phantom and he did an amazing job, he was so passionet up on the stage! And you're right Fuoko, The Phantom does feel Christne up during that part of the song and also when he sings" Touch me, trust me, sweet intoxication....." The part where I blush the most is Duan Juan Trimuphant where Carlotta and the Chorus sing "poor young maiden! for the thrill on your tongue of stolen sweets, you will have to pay the bill- tangled in the winding sheets! serve the meal and serve the maid!" Because it's so......blunt. I wholeheartedly agree. I miss him on the tour. He's one of my favorite Phantoms of all time.
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:00 pm
I'm glad someone else likes Brad Little too! I thought he performed "Music of the Night" the best out of all the Phantoms.
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:38 pm
I never saw brad Little... Hugh Panaro was my Phanotm <3
I dunno...I think MotN is about sex, just more along th elines of love, where PoNR is about lust. (I liked how you put it, R_D_S, "You! Pants off! NOW!" xd )
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:03 pm
Shura-Pendragon I'm glad someone else likes Brad Little too! I thought he performed "Music of the Night" the best out of all the Phantoms. While his singing voice is not my favorite for a Phantom's, his acting is absolutely phenomenal and makes up for any imperfections he might have. I absolutely agree, though his Point of No Return has been my favorite of all time. Erin Sovenya I never saw brad Little... Hugh Panaro was my Phanotm <3 Hugh Panaro is also a very good Phantom, both vocally and performance wise. Not wasted money at all.
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:13 pm
MotN is the.....
phantom: touch....
Christine: *hits with purse*
song.
PoNR is the.....
Phantom: Sex?
Christine:......I guesse.....
Phantom: OH YEA!
song
Ok. thats how I put it.
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:24 pm
Suni moon MotN is the..... phantom: touch.... Christine: *hits with purse* song. PoNR is the..... Phantom: Sex? Christine:......I guesse..... Phantom: OH YEA! song Ok. thats how I put it. Ha! That's a bloody brillent way of putting it and so very true! Oh, and Fuoko, do you like listening to PoNR in French? It's got to be my favorite song translated, it's kind of...creepy in a sexy way I guess sweatdrop .
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:33 pm
XD
I'd have to say, Point of No Return is waaaaay up there in my favoritefavorites for Phantom music. I had a feeling it was very sexual, and now I know that it is after reading the lyrics and listening to it more deeply (o_o), but, I still like it. x3 It's a fun song to sing, as long as you don't sing it in class ...
Music of the Night ... isn't really as raw as PoNR, but it kinda' sets the stage for everything. It's still kinda' seduction for that one moment (the 'floating, falling ...' I always get goosebumps and blush there too. x///x') but the rest is like a sweet, serenade. I LOVE IT. Dx
I like Micheal Crawford and Howard McGillen, and Howard was the Phantom I first saw on Broadway. I adored his voice and acting. It was so good. =w=
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:03 am
MOTN I always saw as a romantic-seduction song. There are hints of sexuality in it of course, but that isn't the entire point of the song. Though they've spoken, it's really the first time the Phantom and Christine are meeting face-to-mask. Like Fuoko said, it's the 'first date'. The Phantom is basically setting his case for himself and his music, and seeing how Christine responds to it... The music itself is very gentle, mostly string-instruments. They start out apart and he gradually gets closer to her as the music builds, until we get the tasteful* touching. With some actors the entire thing is almost shy; even in the classic 'pose' the Phantom is standing behind Christine, where she can't see him.
And, as the song builds, the lyrics get more passionate and, if this makes sense, more to the point. It starts off about music and progresses from the Phantom talking about wanting Christine for his music ("I have needed you with me, to serve me, to sing for my music...") to talking about wanting her for himself ("Touch me, trust me..."). But it always stays vague... It's still the first date. The Phantom isn't trying to completely seduce Christine now, he's just getting her used to the idea.
PONR, on the other hand, is the musical equivalent of ravishment. Remember that, being unable to connect with people normally, the Phantom expresses himself through music. This music was written after Christine 'betrayed' him, and the angry undertone in the music is evident. At times, the stage choreography is almost violent. Now the Phantom has blown his shot of winning Christine with gentility and romance, and is falling back on taking what he wants with violence and passion. He's going to write exactly what he wants to do with her and make her peform it. But the song isn't entirely angry... at times, more tender melodies and verse sneak in, underscoring the thought that while the Phantom is angry with Christine and the song is an expression of his base desire for her, there is still love. I think PONR was always intended to be the end result of his seduction of Christine, but she was supposed to be a willing player. Thus, the song is all about sexual surrender; a sort-of wedding night duet. The Phantom presents his case ("You are here with me, no second thoughts, you've decided...") and Christine fully reciprocates ("I 've already imagined our bodies entwining..."). As is the theme of the song, he drops his inhibitions and touches her without the restraint of MOTN, and she responds in turn, caressing his head and chest when he's sitting on the bench.**
And at the end, her 'willing' response gets to him. Beauty tames the beast, so to speak. The music suddenly turns gentle again and the Phantom starts on the AIAOY reprise. Having Christine do what he wanted physically wasn't enough, he's realized that he wants her to love him as well, and reaches out to her.
* Well, depending on your Phantom. At the start of his run, Ted Keegan had a tendancy to, ahh... squeeze the charmin. *snrk* I think the actresses got mad at him, because he stopped abruptly.
**That scene is the show is what makes me think Brad Little is the best actor since MC. The Phantom is completely silent while Christine is singing, and he still manages to perfectly convey exactly what he's thinking. He does this thing where he's rocking back and forth a little, rubbing his leg like he's trying to stay calm, and then he just goes completely still and shivers when Christine touches him. It's awesome.
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