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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:08 pm
I'm currently in the middle of re-watching the series and I've just gotten to the opening of Three Kings. (It's been a long week. >.> xDD) The episode with the first Spirit Detective (her name escapes me at the moment) came on, and I noticed something.
First - I don't like her very much. =| Just as a person, she sort of annoyed me a little. She was also incredibly judgmental, almost.
But what caught my attention was when she tossed Yusuke out (after rudely listening to his conversation, I might add) and deciding he was dangerous due to him accepting that those demons eat humans. First - just because he's my overall favorite character in any anime, I was somewhat taken aback and annoyed that our hero was being treated like a villain, and judged simply because he had mazoku blood all of a sudden. I'm not saying I think it was a stupid approach - it was actually rather realistic, I was simply just disgusted.
However - she said that wasn't normal, how he just accepted that humans were the food to these demons.
Personally, I don't think Yusuke was saying "Oh, that's cool. biggrin ", I think it freaked him the ******** out, to be honest. But like in most situations, he makes a joke, and tries to make it a lighter subject. Honestly, I think Yusuke was simply just being open minded.
They ate humans. Could he change that? No. Was it a scary thought? Well, yeah. Was it obviously, as he was given proof of, a necessity to their species? Yes.
I thought it was incredibly mature and intelligent of him NOT to judge them simply on a diet that they have no control over needing. He saw that not eating humans was killing their king, so he was able to deduce that, as he put it - he ate meat, because he craved for it - so it was understandable that this was what they needed to eat.
She acted as if he was condoning it, and even thinking "I might try that sometime! wink "
This thread REALLY has no point other than to ramble about how I probably would've thought the same in his position - what about the rest of you?
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:18 pm
Yeah, when I watched that for the first time, I was really muddled in my emotions.
For one, Yusuke just ACCEPTING it kind of freaked me out. And I tried my hardest to understand his point of view and found that although I understood and I SHOULDN'T be scared of his light-heartedness, I was still dissatisfied.
The chick didn't mean to be nasty, she just had to be. She was being safe. Also, this wasn't her burden to bear. She volunteered. I don't know. I liked her. She had a family that she had to look out for. I'm not saying Yusuke would DO that. But she didn't know that he makes jokes out of everything. And I think she was just being cautious.
Poor Yusuke. ='(
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:01 pm
Obviously I'm weird for being like "Yup. Understandable." Right along with him. XD
I see what you mean - and I was alright with her in the first place. Just something about her ...doing that baffled me. I mean, of course she can't know he's a dork that handles weirdness by making a joke, and accepting it - but bleh. D: She blamed it all on his mazoku blood and told him he didn't belong there - and just something about that sudden judgmental attitude threw me.
Like I said, though. XD Maybe I'm just weird for not thinking it weird he could just be like "Alrighty. That's what you eat."
And, yeah. D: Poor Yusuke. =[ He tries. xD <3
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 6:44 pm
I can see your point, but remember that humans are judgmental by nature, and in HER line of work...
Demons don't exactly plead their case around her...they tried to eat HER. lol XD
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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 4:33 pm
If I was told that demons ate humans, I 1) wouldn't be too surprised and 2) would understand it, but still fear for my life.
I don't look at it the same way that the characters seem to. (It's been a while since I saw those episodes, so I'm mostly going on what you guys have said so far.)
I look at it from an evolutionary and biological standpoint--humans find this disgusting because we believe ourselves to be the superior species, given that no other species (other than demons) has our intelligence.
Therefore, we see it as fundamentally wrong for someone to eat us. But the truth of the matter is that humans are animals just as pigs, cows, and chickens are, and there is the chance that one day we will be food just as livestock is food to us.
So, it's not that eating humans is anything to "condone," not really--like you've said, it's necessary for survival. It's just what they have to do. I don't think of it as some sort of nasty habit, or an evil act. Eating is eating.
Of course, that doesn't mean that I would enjoy being eaten, or that I would volunteer to be eaten, or that I wouldn't fight back. But I don't think that I would look down on demons for having to eat humans, because, as it's been stated, they can't help it.
I can see the struggle that a Spirit Detective would face. On the one hand, he's sworn to protect humans, and that includes protecting them from being eaten. On the other, does that give him the right to starve demons to death? I don't know which course of action Yusuke would have honored, given the choice, so it's almost a good thing that he didn't end up having to make the choice, as he was no longer the detective at that point.
If anyone's read the ending of the manga, it almost makes this argument obsolete, if you know what I'm talking about. ^^
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:12 pm
It's a very conflicting situation, that's for sure. On one hand, I agree with Yusuke. There's nothing they can do about it, that's just their natural diet. I'm sure if they had any alternatives, their King wouldn't have been starving to death, very, very slowly might I add. On the other hand though...it's hard to be "ok" with that, especially when you think of the fact that they could eat someone you cared about, or even just knew.
Overall, I understand her reaction...but I also understand Yusukes. While he was in the middle, not yet decided which side he favored more, she already had a side, the humans. So she took him as an enemy since he was against her on a very strong belief.
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:16 pm
Exactly. She saw him as threat. I can't blame her too much. ^^;
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:00 pm
I remember that! And I agreed with Yusuke XDDD i know I'm awful. i just think you have to eat what you have to eat. If a demon HAS to eat humans the okay. but if there is some other substitute i'd prefer that.
also I didn't like how Yusuke had so much trouble over killing a person like the doctor. He didn't have problems about killing demons. Of course, he, as everyone else, is struggling with the idea that humans and demons are alike after all.
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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:14 pm
Yes, but he knows that humans and demons are different. Doctor...he was a person. A human. It just...he couldn't you know?
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:52 pm
yeah it's just a part of Yusuke's character...*sigh* Though it annoyed me..
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:08 pm
One of the things that really struck home for him was:
Doctor: "Once you've crossed that line, you can never go back. You have to keep killing to satisfy your needs...." or something along those lines.
Yusuke was like "Le GASP!" Like, he was TOTALLY unprepared...
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:44 pm
Yes he said that you had to keep killing or the guilt would consume you. Genkai fixed him cuz she said she didn't want his death on Yusuke's conscience.
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:34 am
Okay! The Yusuke killing the doctor thing that got started and I wasn't around to see it. xD
My thought on that is...of course he wasn't prepared to kill a human. That was the point of the saga, and the thing with Sensui and the difference between them.
Sensui was totally unprepared to find humans so evil. His view of the world was black and white, so when it hit him, he snapped. Humans were supposed to be the good guys.
Yusuke on the other hand never saw all this good in humans - he was kind of tossed into the protecting them thing. His views weren't so black and white, but he did have a prejudice view, like any human would. Demons were bad and he'd have to stop them - but he slowly started to realize not ALL were bad, so he had to be more thoughtful and he would be, because the difference was that he was simply more open-minded.
He didn't see the world in good and evil, humans and demons. Yusuke saw it in jerks and not-jerks. However, if you think about it - the most he had to KILL were full on beasts. Things without much brains.
Yusuke never killed Rando or Suzaku. Or anyone until Tuguro for that matter. And that was something hard for him even - while still being different than simple murder of just some demon or some human. So when he was faced with having to kill this human guy, I think it struck him that he could be killing someone. Just. Some guy. Murder is difficult, especially when you're a good person like Yusuke.
Killing Tuguro I figure was like...going to a war and fighting another army. Just because a soldier can shoot in battle doesn't mean they can just kill another person in every day life. The doctor was more like the every day life kind of thing. Fighting and killing Tuguro was like a war, almost.
So I don't think it was about being a human or a demon - it was the scale of the murder, he'd never been faced with simply killing someone. Not in the way he probably viewed it.
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:41 pm
Also another point to consider is that Toguro was human that was transformed into a fully demon form, so I don't think Yusuke really had much a conscience over that. And I noticed that he never killed human-like figures as well.
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:09 pm
True! Tuguro...decided to be evil. I can't imagine Yusuke would fret too much over what he considered mostly a monster.
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