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So, I was taking a shower today, and was thinking. Then all of a sudden, it hit me, I came to a revelation. I have finally realized that the pivotal point of satanism/hedonism applies to everything.

The pivotal point of satanism/hedonism is only doing things that will get you something. Nothing is ever done because we get nothing in return, we always get something in return. We never do anything, unless we know we will get something in return. Some examples, a child wants a piece of candy and throws a temper tantrum becuase he thinks that will get him what he wants. He later realizes that, that will get him no where, and he comes to realize that if he acts good he can get that candy. So the next time he acts good, because he (thinks he) will get something in return.

A religion promises some kind of afterlife, and states that there are certain things that must be done to get to the desired afterlife. Christians for example, believe that to get to heaven they have to follow a certian set of morals. These morals include being kind to your fellow man, and other such things. Though you don't get paid in this life, you will (hopefully) attain the reward of heaven.

We only do something that will get us a desired result. If we want to get to heaven we do certain things. IF we want that candy we do certain things. Nothing in this life is ever done soley because it is good and right. Good and right are done because we will get some kind of reward.

Well, post your ideas, questions, or whatever.

I thought about them too, and they do get something in return. They either get a good feeling of some kind, and in the end, they may be right, and that rightness is worth something. So, everyone gets something in return for what they do, and they do what they do to get that something, or to aviod something.

Again, people only do what they do to get what they want. Some people want violence, so they commit violent acts. Some people get a good feeling from that stuff. Others get a good feeling from doing good, so they do good, because they want to keep that feeling.

No one does anything to get the opposite of what they want. They always do things to get what they want.

Some people actually do get joy out of violence.

Actually, being suicidal, and having a few other friends who were suicidal as well, your suicide reporting isn't too accurate. Usually the suicidal friend is able to see their mistake of contemplating suicide. However, there are some cases were they do not. In reality your suicidal situation looks like this:
0% chance of having your friend (Suicide)
>0% chance of having your friend back (Reporting of suicidal friend)
which could get you the result you want? If you want your friend to live, you report them and have a >0% chance of them staying your friend. If you let them commit suicide you have a 0% chance of them staying your friend.

I never said we always get what we want. We act in a way to have the possibility to get what we want. Look back at my child who wants candy example, you will see that I said "the next time he acts good, because he (thinks he) will get something in return." Notice the thinks part, he believes that this will have a better chance of getting him what he wants in the end.


EDIT: Pleasure is a thing that is determined by the individual. What you find pleasureable is not neccesarily exactly the same as what I find pleasureable. In other words the definition of pleasure is relative.

It's not just humans that do this, all the other animals/organisms do this too.

When I say that you get something, I mean you get a benefit. No one does anything that will not better them.
People may do things that do not benefit them in the short run, but it will benefit them in the long run, and vice versa. Nothing does anything that will not benefit itself. All humans (animals, and other organisms too) are selfish. Thats it.

Your right Satanism doesn't encourage suicide, if I ever gave you that impression, I am sorry, it was not my intention. My intention was to say that one part of satanism holds true in everything.

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Now, on your prince and brother point: it is exactly the same. If the prince does not kill his brother, he has an increased chance of going to heaven. Now, if the prince kills his brother he gets to be king. The only difference is when the reward comes.

I absolutely agree with the idea that no action is done completely selflessly- there is a reward, or perceived reward for everything. Which rewards you hold in higher priority, that is your choice, and that is your religion.

If you value your friend's respect higher than her life (which would be true in some cultures, or at least ancient Japan,) then you do not report her. You must also take into account her reasons for being suicidal. If you seriously think she's justified, then that is what she must do.

I personally hold "reasons for suicide" as having to be pretty severe, and I'm assuming that everyone else does also.

But if you value your friend's life higher than her reasons for suicide, you must also factor in the anguish that not reporting her will cause you for the rest of your life. Personally, I would report her if reporting her was THE ONLY way to save her life, and I don't want to spend my life thinking about the girl that could've lived if I'd had the guts.

So I guess the statement has to be adjusted to: "No action is done completely selflessly- there is a reward, or perceived reward for everything, including the avoidance of pain or suffering."

That's why I said including the avoidance of pain.