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Shanna66

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:55 pm


i have a few spare 10gals since i moved my hermit crabs to bins and would like to keep fish. i would like something easy to care for that can be housed with male bettas and can live its entire life in a 10gal.

also what is tank cycling? ive never worried about it since i keep my bettas in 2gal tanks that needed to be cleaned often.

also if nothing easy can be kept with a betta then just something easy to keep, if i cant find anything i may just upgrade one of my bettas to the 10gal and put alot of hiding places in it

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also it doesnt have to be active or brightly colored, i just want a fishy companion. also are there any suckerfish that would be ok for me and my empty 10gal?


also lifespans and care basics would be wonderful to know so if anyone can post those with their suggestions please

and ive heard that kissing fish can be kept in a 10gal, any truth to this? they look interesting but big so i wanted to check, and are they easy to keep?

sorry for all the questions but all i know how to keep are bettas, and even then, im learning new things about them all the time


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also whats the care for freshwater pufferfish? would one or 2 be ok in my 10gal? or are they really hard to keep? puffers are my favorite fish to look at so i would like to get into them someday

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im really thinking hard about a cory catfish. how many can fit in a 10gal? and would they get along with my betta? or should i just have the catfish in the 10gal alone?
and any details on their care i should know about?


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also are there any easy to care for saltwater creatures? doesnt have to be fish and doesnt have to be active. im the type of person who would be happy to have a clam as a pet
PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:58 pm


tank cycling is when you let your tank go through the nitrogen cycle. it builds up bacteria that will help keep your tank clean and healthy. if you want this better explained i can go into more detail but there is alot of stuff online you could read about too.

i have kept a male betta with at least 4 female betta just fine in a 10 gallon tank. you should be able to keep a male betta with anything that isnt another male betta. i keep mine with gourami. in a 10 gallon tank a dwarf species would be best. they are usually easy to find, dont get bigger than 2 inches and if you can keep a betta you can keep a gourami because they are related (both are labyrinth fish and pretty much live in the same conditions)

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kissing fish get too big (6-12 inches) for a 10 gallon tank and they are very aggressive (the kissing is actually fighting) so no go there.
now sucker fish
dont get any kind of pleco....they get very big and poop too much
cory cats are good bottom feeders. they need to be kept it groups of at least 3 but are pretty small anyway so that shouldn't be a problem.
dont get any barbs because they n** fins and will tear your betta apart.
no mollies or platys because they do best in salted water.

you can see my tank here and what i have in it. you can also read up on the dwarf puffers. you could fit a bunch of them in a 10 gallon tank.

puffer fish are a species only fish because they are very aggressive. you couldnt keep them with betta. i keep dwarf puffer fish. if you had a tank for JUST THEM its super cute. and you have to be real careful with puffer info. some are brackish and need salt but are called freshwater puffers and usually dont last long and some are freshwater puffers but people say to put in brackish which isnt good for them. i KNOW dwarf puffers are true fresh water because i own them and they are doing very well.

saltwater is DIFFICULT in a small tank. the best starter salt aquarium is at least 50 gallons. parameters are VERY important (salinity, ammonia, nitriates, nitrates, KH, calcium, magnesium, ect) and are unstable in small tanks. the bigger the tank the easier. smaller tanks need an experienced keeper.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:12 pm


ive had uffers before but i listened to the store so they didnt last long at all, only about 3 months, but i loved them to death and would like another go at them sometime

it isnt important that i find something that can be housed with my betta, Judas can still be quite happy in his 2.5gal
PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:25 am


Hello,

Here's a link on the nitrogen cycle. http://www.fishlore.com/NitrogenCycle.htm
Fishless cycling is the best way to go, though it can take a while. I just finished mine, 2 weeks to get rid of all the nitrite out of a 10L tank. (+/- 2.5 G)
Also, ammonia toxinity is related to PH, the lower the PH, the less toxic the ammonia: http://www.aquaworldaquarium.com/Articles/TonyGriffitts/Ammonia.htm

I think tetras make good companions for bettas. Most of them are mid-level and don't swim around too much. They prefer to hang around in a school and squabble amongst themselves. They usually leave other fish alone, and are strong enough to stand their own should your betta be a bit more agressive then usual. They are hardy too.
Here's a list of various tetras. The Paracheirodon and Hyphessobrycon families I recomend most strongly. They come in quite a wide variety of colors too.

Livebreeders like guppies and swordtails are pretty good too, but sometimes the large fancy tails of the male guppy can set off a betta in a bad way, so care must be taken. They also tend to populate the top level more.
I thought it was only the molly that needed salt, since the platy is more related to the swordtail, and I thought those didn't need the salt.

Barbs are a tricky situation, they are indeed known for nipping, especially the tiger barbs, but I've kept rosy and cherry barbs without any problem with a betta.

I find gouramis to be a tricky situation. Much depends on the character of the fish. In both bettas and gouramis some fish are very dominant and agressive, which results to them being a bit of a bully, or they are so shy they get pushed around a lot. If you want to keep a gourami or a pair of gouramis with your betta I'd sugest to look in the pet shop for the one that doen't get pushed around or hide away from everyone, but also doesn't go around chasing all the other fish.

Sharks, Rasboras, Danios & Barbs Appart from barbs there are other more peacefull fish to chose from in this family, like rasboras and danios. The danios are, like barbs, more on the hyper side, but the smaller rasboras are more timid.
If you really have a betta bully, like I once had, you can solve it by adding a shark. Not a bala or a black one, those get too large, but a red-fin or red-tailed. They are solitary territorial fish that prefer to keep to the bottom of the tank.
My old Cleo used to pick on everything that moved untill I added the shark. Then she only pestered that fish. They would have brief encounters midlevel and then retreat back to their respective water levels.

Other bottomfeeders I recomend are Corys and Ottos I'd stay away from loaches too, because they get as large as most sharks but instead of being solitar they are schooling fish. I think a school of 3-5 Corys would do pretty well in a 10 gal, depending on how many other fish you have in there and how often you change the water.

Hope this wall of text helped a bit.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:47 am


oooh, now ill have to look into sharks as well as cory catfish

so what are some of the majoe differences with using sand instead og gravel. would sand be ok for my betta? would it do ok with a filter?
and i think ill go with fishless cycling, it will give me time to save up for decorations and plants, i think ill go with fake plants since any uv bulbs i get go straight to my reptiles
PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:57 am


also could i put a ghost shrimp in there or would that be too many things in the tank? i think ill get 3 cories and my betta, or 1 shark and my betta, or even just the shark lol

and how do you test the water for all this ph stuff?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:48 am


dwarf gourami are usually peaceful. try honey gourami if you can find them. most calm i have ever seen. :3 and i think the males get feisty with each other sometimes.

tetras would work. they sort of just hang around and dont bother anyone.

danios need swimming room thats why i didnt suggest em. could work because they are little but they swim A LOT XP i dont like them because they are too frantic...i like my fish to move slow and graceful XD thats why i have what i have

sharks can be aggressive (actually classified as semi aggressive in almost everything i have read). especially this one that you can find a lot
and most get a tad big...for a 10 gallon anyway (3.5-6 inches)

and you could do shrimp...but it depends on what you add. my gouramis and betta ate shrimp...so at least if you use cheap feeder shrimp first you can find out.

and to test ph and stuff you can just buy a test kit :3 they should sell em at every pet shop.

sand can affect the ph and make it higher which isnt good for a betta. (you have to be extra careful if you wanna use sand) it can also hold gas pockets that when they open and burst, can be poisonous. if you used sand, use a thin layer. in saltwater its no problem because there are many critters that stir the sand and prevent the gases from building. there isnt much in freshwater that helps with sand. >_<

the betta with a filter or sand with a filter? i dont get the question >_<
PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:53 am


what reptiles do you have?
we have a red earred slider (female-Jade) and a rosy boa (male-Jasper)

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:17 am


Sand doesn't bother the filter at all. Many bottom feeders love a small patch of sand to rest or dig in, but bettas don't really care for it.
For the gassbubbles you can use the Malaysian Trumpet Snail It's a snail that digs through the substrate looking for food and in that process ventilates it, preventing gas acumulation.
The hardness problem, well, you'll have to test it. Take a bucket or jar of your aquarium water, add substrate, let it sit for a week or so and measure what it did to your hardness.
Also, when adding substrate make sure you wash it really good before adding it to a tank.

If you take a shark, give him something to hide in. I used to have the red tail and he was quite content living under a large carved out block of peat. The 'cave' occupied nearly 1/3 of the bottom of the tank and the shark never went far from it. He only really came out during feeding, other wise it was just to shoo away other fish. Since it's not a very active fish when you give him a large hiding hole I think they can be kept in a 10 gal no problem. As long as he's the last fish to be added and other fish aren't bottom dwellers.

Yep, danio's are quite frantic. I personally don't like them eighter, but my dad adores ADHD patients, so we've had quite a few.

If you get a shark don't get shrimp. With a betta, as Skittles said, test it and pray it doesn't get eaten. If you have a lot of vegetation your shrimp will have a bigger chance to survive since they usually get attacked when molting. They try to hide when they have to shed, and what a fish can't find it can't eat.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:24 am


ok,to i probably wont get the shrimp
and ill stick with gravel then

and i have 2 snakes, 1bearded dragon, 4 leopard geckos, 1 panther gecko, and 1 gargoyle gecko. i also have 3 newts and 3 frogs, but they arent reptiles lol

also someone on another forum suggested a Bristlenose plecostomus
any info on them? what do they eat? how long do they live? would it have to live by itself?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:55 am


Plecos produce a lot of waste and only eat plant matter
As for the size I don't know on this one but I wouldn't recommend any pleco for a 10 gallon tank because of the poo.

and most get too big for a 10 gallon tank anyway. even 4 inches (smallest pleco i have seen) is too big i think.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:23 pm


ok
well, i think i will go for the corries, thanks to all that helped ^.^

i got a filter today and filled up the tnak with water and put in my betta. now i just wait forever for everything to cycle ^.^

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:06 pm


make sure to take pics and show us! heart
PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:32 pm


i will. so far my betta is being one of those weird bettas and not liking all the space. he stays in the corners and in his house. poor thing has never delt with stress well at all, but he should be back to his normal fishy self in a few days. i think he will like being with other fish, my other male betta died recently and so Judas has seemed depressed. him and Jesus used to live a few feet from each other and just "play" with each other. im not sure if it was play or not but it was something for them to do

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:55 pm


that wasn't play XD that's get your face over here so I can rip it apart >_< how empty is the tank as far as plants and things. If it's pretty empty he is feeling exposed and in danger. He needs something to hide behind.that will help a lot with any stress issues. I have many plants and my betta are social right away in the 55 gallons
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