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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:25 pm


Is it just me or would this game be a lot better if Reks was the main character, and not Vaan......... personaly I think Vaan is gay, and is the worst man character in the history of FF, he doesn't really have anything to do with the plot line! anyway, that's just me.

tell me what you think! am I crazy or is this good?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:13 pm


Well, while I wouldn't exactly agree that he's gay, I would prefer Reks... Even though you don't know him very long, I really liked him. The problem is, that wouldn't work out as storyline-wise. Plus, you wouldn't have the whole emotional "YOU KILLED MY BROTHER" thing, which I thought was pretty awesome.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:03 pm


Easily fixed... make Vaan the older brother that gets killed......... xp
PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:17 am


Reks was a clear plot device, just like Zack was at FF7. His function was to be liked person who dies and strengthens the emotional attachment to character (fail boat here for most of us). It is also needed for motivation to Vaan stick around and get involved, more personal or noble reason than just a wish to become a sky pirate.

I think Reks would have been very boring character in the end, just because he seemed so righteous and potential hero. Nothing unexpected, too little room for character development. No one would have thought twice about dying older brother-Vaan. Now we have very strong sense that wrong brother died or that Reks didn't deserve his faith. And we take more firm grip of the story. We hope. Think more of it. Put more expectations on Vaan. Emotional binding. You have to play Vaan as main character, no matter how annoying he is. Maybe it helps to think him as point of view and accept what Balthier said.

Failing or incompetent hero is more interesting than one perfect for the part.
Vaan is annoying as hell. That is a fact.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:04 am


The whole point of the simple character plot line is to give players a chance to be the guy supporting the leader, without being faded out. It does make you think of the others' peoples perspective on you... Kinda like Selphy from FFVIII or Rikku from FFX. They are in the Vaan perspective. As for Reks, without him, I don't see the reason for Vaan, or switching characters Reks to follow in the story-line without changing their emotional attitudes.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:13 pm


I actually liked Vaan. Sure, he could be a little annoying, but he was a nice guy caught up in things way above his head. I wonder if that was actually the intention behind him, to have Vaan serve as a kind of proxy for the player (like Bella in Twilight xD). It obviously didn't work for most people, though.

Reks... was boring. He was a generic good guy who got unlucky and died. Because he had such a cardboard personality, it's kinda hard to argue a good case for him against Vaan (because by arguing for someone with no real definable personality traits, you're not arguing for anything, but more for the possiblity of anything, or perhaps against what there already is).

I don't think Vaan is supposed to be viewed as a classic main character. The real players in the game are the adults, and Vaan just gives you a different persepctive, like looking though a window. He has no real power and is unimportant (although I personally believe he's the most important, because if he hadn't gone to steal the shard, Balthier and Fran wouldn't have gone into the sewers, and they wouldn't have met Ashe, so the wouldn't have gotten caught and sent to Nalbina, etc, etc), but I think he can see what's going on, and do so more clearly than the others who are in the middle of it.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:37 am


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I actually liked Vaan. Sure, he could be a little annoying, but he was a nice guy caught up in things way above his head. I wonder if that was actually the intention behind him, to have Vaan serve as a kind of proxy for the player (like Bella in Twilight xD). It obviously didn't work for most people, though.

Reks... was boring. He was a generic good guy who got unlucky and died. Because he had such a cardboard personality, it's kinda hard to argue a good case for him against Vaan (because by arguing for someone with no real definable personality traits, you're not arguing for anything, but more for the possiblity of anything, or perhaps against what there already is).

I don't think Vaan is supposed to be viewed as a classic main character. The real players in the game are the adults, and Vaan just gives you a different persepctive, like looking though a window. He has no real power and is unimportant (although I personally believe he's the most important, because if he hadn't gone to steal the shard, Balthier and Fran wouldn't have gone into the sewers, and they wouldn't have met Ashe, so the wouldn't have gotten caught and sent to Nalbina, etc, etc), but I think he can see what's going on, and do so more clearly than the others who are in the middle of it.


I do think Vaan was a sort of proxy... Yes, like Bella! And if there's one thing we've learned between the two of them, it's that people don't want a proxy. They just want characters who can kick a** (you know, making a generalization).

I think with Reks... True, you don't get to know him enough to really get much out of him, but what you do get is a hint of something that has great possibilities, and it's such a shame because you never get to explore them.

I think a big thing is that even though he wasn't really experienced, he didn't have that n00b feel that made Vaan really annoying to a lot of people... Like the same type of feeling you get from one of those moronic stereotypical tourists with Hawaiian shirts, socks and sandals, and a camcorder.

I can't tell if that was a really, really bad analogy or not.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:03 pm


It's interesting, isn't it, how it worked so well for Twilight, but totally bombed in FFXII. I wonder if it has to do with a difference between the types of people who play video games and the types who read abstinence porn romance novels, or maybe the type of character you want when you're playing a game vs reading abstinence porn a book? Or maybe it's that people like to assume their really nice and normal and secretly bitchy and superior, but not truely average?

YES, I can totally see Vaan in a Hawaiian shirt and camera. And he would be kinda obnoxious in an effort to get pictures. But unlike the terrible american tourist, he never slowed the group down (like, in a strength sense). I never felt like Vaan was too weak, or constantly had to be saved, and I think that was his redeaming trait for me.

I mean, I don't think Vaan is special or even particularly entertaining: Revernt Wings bored me to tears before Balthier showed up again. But I liked the effect playing him gave the game. I think that game would have been totally awesome if you could have played everyone's POV.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:36 pm


I think the big difference is that with Bella, it's more about her thoughts and her role in the story. Firstly, that get get to hear her thoughts at all, so she's so much easier to connect with, whereas Vaan is just... there. More importantly, the story of Twilight is actually about her. Therefore, she affects practically all of the story's events, and again, is not just... there. It probably does have something to do with the video game/book ( xd ) difference too. I mean, Vaan is supposed to be out kicking butt and saving country and whatnot, because that's what you do in RPGs, and Bella's allowed to just be a person. Anything else she does is above and beyond.

That is a really good point, that Vaan never slowed them down. I suppose it does say something that he can keep up with everyone else after being tossed in like he was, along with Penelo. But really, you'd think a captain in the military would be significantly stronger than a little princess, too. Apparently not.

Everyone's POV? Wow. Fran's...? *must think on this*
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:03 pm


'Anything else she does is above and beyond.'
THAT IS WIN. It sums up everything that's fail about Bella (well, not everything, but a lot xD) Yeah, Vaan is not the hero (I've always figured either Ashe or Balthier is the hero, actually - but I'm leaning to Ashe).

Well, you could say he's an ex-capitan who was held in prison for two years while the princess was fighting in a rebellion.

I think it'd be really cool. ^^ Like, for Ashe, you could start around the same time as Vaan, when she's preparing for the coup. And Basch might start when he's kiddnapped in Nalbina at the beginning (with a time gap between there and the prison bit), while Balthier could start the night of the hiest, or something.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:50 pm


The thing is, I was really just trying to be accurate. sweatdrop I din't feel like there was a real "hero" in XII (which kind of sucked in itself), but Ashe is definitely the closest thing you've got.

Ah, true... I was wondering about the time frame, though... Was it really two years? That was what I thought, but I went to look it up because I wasn't entirely sure, and couldn't find anything specifically saying.

What? You can't just have a huge time skip! You have to follow Basch through that time! Have a minigame with him fighting off rats or something. xd But you know, that would just make people see Vaan as being even more useless in all likelihood. If it doesn't even follow his perspective, it's even more like he's just tagging along in the background.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:38 am


And you were. Unbelievably accurate.

I kinda liked how there was no true 'hero'. It made it seem more realistic to me, and (I thought) allowed to the characters to develop a bit more equaly (not the Sqeenix has a problem with character development). Rather, instead of viewing the characters as 'the hero', 'the hero's girl/other main character', 'the hero's best friend', you see the characters as 'Ashe the princess', 'Balthier the pirate', etc.

The guide says it's been two years, and I think they refer to it at various points.

xd That'd be an awesome mini-game. I hate mini-games, but that one sounds fun. It would make Vaan (and Penolo) seem irrelevent, though. I didn't think of that. It be fun, though, to play as Balthier and see what he's doing in Archades when you're hunting for chips (there's actually a guy somewhere who mentions him, so I really do wonder what he was up to...)

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:29 pm


I think... what I'd like instead of nobody being hero would be everybody being the hero. I don't find a problem with it centering a little more on one character, though. I don't think it's unrealistic if one or two people end up having more of an impact on the story, especially considering the connections Final Fantasy characters tend to have to the bad guys and generally what's going on. Let's look at X... The main character was Tidus, but I think Yuna was more of a hero(ine) for most of the game. It all depended on who was most associated with the events of the time, not just "Hey, you be leader and do everything important" except in VIII. In any case, it did kind of suck that some of the others, Lulu especially, were kind of ignored, but I guess it's just a balance.

Gasp! I have a solution! ATEs! Just have short interludes to show stuff like what Balthier was doing... maybe extended so that you have limited control over the other characters for a small time.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:20 pm


Ravenwolf
I think... what I'd like instead of nobody being hero would be everybody being the hero. I don't find a problem with it centering a little more on one character, though. I don't think it's unrealistic if one or two people end up having more of an impact on the story, especially considering the connections Final Fantasy characters tend to have to the bad guys and generally what's going on. Let's look at X... The main character was Tidus, but I think Yuna was more of a hero(ine) for most of the game. It all depended on who was most associated with the events of the time, not just "Hey, you be leader and do everything important" except in VIII. In any case, it did kind of suck that some of the others, Lulu especially, were kind of ignored, but I guess it's just a balance.

Gasp! I have a solution! ATEs! Just have short interludes to show stuff like what Balthier was doing... maybe extended so that you have limited control over the other characters for a small time.

OO! I like that idea! that would have been so awesome, like, espetially in Archadia, that would have been interesting to see wheat he was doing

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 12:01 pm


What I liked about reks was that he seemed to be dressed the part of hero more than vaan. Let's face it, Vaan's outfit sucked a**. If he's the main character, more work should've gone into how he looked. The outfit he has just makes him look like a pansy.
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