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 Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:39 pm
Alrighty, let's get started.
Personally, as I am gay, I believe that marriage between two people, whether it be a man and woman, man and man, or woman and woman, should be legalized. Many reasons come into play here.
Separation of Church and State. The American society was built on the premise of separating the church and the state, especially since we were allowing people to practice any religion. If we didn't separate the church and the state, there would be much upheaval among all the practiced religions. I do believe in this idea. We need to separate these, and with select political leaders *cough*Sarah Palin*cough*, who have stated that they do not wish to legalize gay marriage, as it is a sin, is a clear disregard of the ideas that we were founded on. I believe that although we must separate these two unions, we must keep the morals that religion brings, in politics.
After hearing that others are against it because they do not want there kids exposed to seeing such immoral things, I became very confused. First of all, with or without gay marriage legalized, kids may still see gay people being together in a romantic way. Also, with all the crap you see on TV where a man has 20 girls try to win his heart and sleeps with them all, you're saying that seeing gay people together is immoral. No matter the fact that there are those out there who spout off such racist and demeaning terms, that have brought down the morality of society, and that we have tried so hard to remove.
When people say that it's a sin, and that you will go to hell if you're gay, what about adulterers? Kids who disobey there parents? Those are two sins that are in the bible, yet have you heard people out on the street saying that an adulterer can't get married as he/she cheated in their first relationship with another person? I haven't. There are those people, like Britney Spears and Paris Hilton who go out and get married , just to get divorced in the next hour. There are also those who get married, not out of love, just to make an illegal immigrant, legal. There was once a time when African Americans, because of the church, were thought to be demons and sinners, and were put down from that, but we have gone away from that dark time. Around 50 years ago, it was against the law for African Americans and White Americans to get married. That means that the parents of President Obama were not allowed to get married. We may not have our current president if it were not for the redefining of marriage in that time.
Sorry for such a large post. Also, here is a video from Keith Olbermann on Prop. 8 in California for those that are interested in watching.
So discuss and debate.
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:00 am
I don't think that any marriage should be legal as it is a sanction of religion(usually), but because marriage between straight couples is legal, I don't see gay marriage cannot be. Gays are not immoral and gay marriage will not lead to the demoralizing of society and the ruin of ethical values. As a nation, we do not have an honor code anyway.
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:14 am
When it comes right down to it, love is love. You can't control who you fall in love with, weather it is the same sex or the opposite.
I believe gay marriage shoulkd definately be legalized!
The reason for marriage is to join together with someone you want to spend your life with, gender souldn't make a difference.
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:51 pm
A very interesting and debatable topic! I do not believe it should be legalized. However, I also believe there are far worse sins that are quite legal, such as those you listed. If one only glances in the "Making a Difference" subforum, one can tell that there is far worse in this world. I do not believe that gays go to hell just because they are gay. The Bible says it is wrong. The Bible says many things are wrong and that, if you ask for forgiveness, it will be forgiven. Any sin from stealing to homosexuality is a forgivable sin, so I do wish rude Christians would not make such a horrid debate about it, especially when there is far too much wrong with this world to be quibbling about such triffle matters.
Thank you for reading my two cents =D
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:03 am
@Only Christ.... Question: If god loves everyone, doesn't he love gays? and if he does, why shouldn't gay marriage be legalized?
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:30 am
I already made clear the first question. Of cource he loves them =D I'm not some brainwashed "christian" that believe everyone is going to hell. The way I (and a few of my friends) see it is that, under the theory that the "something" in the back of the brain that most homosexuals posess that most straight do not makes it not a choice for those to be homosexual, then it can be related to alcoholism, despite the fact that alcoholism is a gene and homosexuality is not, but they can both be preconditioned by something in the body. A gene preconditions alcoholism, so, if the person drinks, they will become an alcoholic. They simply cannot help it. However, that does not excuse the fact. One does not say, "Oh, he is an alcoholic because of his gene, so it is okay for him to get drunk all the time." Alcoholism can be considered gluttony, a sin. The bible states that homosexuality is a sin, just like stealing or lying. Yes, the theory states that they are predisposed to be homosexual, but that does not simply excuse the fact, much like alcoholism. I hope I did not offend anyone by comparing homosexuals to alcoholics. I would much rather hang out with homosexuals because I do that all the time and they're no differet than other people, but, for some reason, some people believe they are. Please do not think that my oppinion is bias. I used to think I was a lesbian because I had a girl friend for a year and a half and she was the only person I have ever had a crush on. Then she broke my heart a million times and I figured out she was just a faze afterall. And that is how my love life has been XDD! I'm just not sexually attracted to people I guess. However, I would not mind living as a maid. An old maid alone with her cats. I like cats, but I like dogs better. Okay, so I'm an old maid alone with my doggies. Dogs are fun and I've always had a million friends to keep me company, so that sounds awesome! =D *bark bark*  Heehee two cents! =D If you have, thank you for reading! I should start giving out gold to those who actually read what I have to say or... type XDD! Oh yes, and I do not think that God's love should be used as a reason to make something legal; if that were the case, officials would declare, "Okay, everyone, God loves you no matter what you do or say, as the Bible clearly demonstrates, so feel free to do whatever you want! You may rape, murder, steal, as long as it does not make God stop loving you, which is impossible, so have a ball! =D" I do not believe that would go over well XDD!
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:38 pm
First off, I would like to commend Only Christ for being such an open-minded, free-thinking Christian. I wish there were more people like you in our world. heart
Secondly, I believe they should legalize gay marriage simply because it's fair. I also have a friend who won't get married until everyone can...and hopefully it all goes over well...
Blessed Be
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 6:53 pm
Grunts a bit. I believe its rediculous that homosexuality is illegal. I mean, how would we feal if the tables were turned and one day they decided to ban heterosexual marriage? I mean, marriage is love and commitment between two people, and religion should not have such power to tell us otherwise. Who are we in telling others that they cannot marry who they love. Than, in and of itself, should be a sin for preventing such a thing, God will it or not. We humans are such selfish creatures in letting our ideals manipulate other people's livelyhood for our own gain in self-satisfaction. We have no right to tell them no, and if we are, then may Allah have my soul and send it straight to hell...
(The Allah reference is from my Grandpa since he's muslim...)
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:57 pm
but marriage is a sacrament of religion and the government should not have the power to say no to homosexual couples
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:44 pm
[boo's guild]Basically, this entire mess could have been avoided if the government didn't make marriage a part of government, especially when they claimed to seperate church from state. That's pretty fail on their part...
I think they should just re-do the system. Yes, it would involve a lot, but I think it would cure a lot of their headaches over the topic.
Leave 'marriage' as a religious ceremony, and let whatever churches do whatever they wish about it, due to their organized beliefs. Then add a second part, a 'union' of some sort that would be the legal portion of marriage, but not called by that name for ANYONE. That way, it's not 'marriage' anymore, it's a legal union. The church shouldn't have issues or a say in law. As I said, seperation of church from state. State failed, and now they should seperate and un-fail.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:34 am
Great solution. Lol too bad no one will ever follow it. Religion should have nothing to do with the legal binding of a couple. Religion should have everything to do with the marriage of a couple. If two gays are christian, then I guess they couldn't get MARRIED, but the government could legalize their union.
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:00 pm
Well, unions are already legal for homosexuals. The problem (as far as I can discern) is that marriage is a legal issue, and marriages have more rights than do legal unions.
If I were in a legal union with CB, for example, she wouldn't be considered part of my family. She wouldn't get my last name, she wouldn't be able to visit me in a hospital, she can't be considered as my 'next of kin.'
So if we just abolish the idea of marriage as a legal issue and just promote legal unions to what marriages had, that would be a soloution.
Because who is in a legal union and doesn't want to be married?
o.o
EDIT::
And in responce to Only Christ:
I dunno if you can compare homosexuality to alcoholism because gluttony is one of the seven dealdy and (as far as I know, I never read any of the Bible) it is just about sodomy, which is any sort of sexualy perversion.
What exactly is a sin? Does the Bible say things like 'it is a sin to do blah'? Or is it just anything that the bible seems to look down on?
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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:11 pm
Centronias Well, unions are already legal for homosexuals. The problem (as far as I can discern) is that marriage is a legal issue, and marriages have more rights than do legal unions.
If I were in a legal union with CB, for example, she wouldn't be considered part of my family. She wouldn't get my last name, she wouldn't be able to visit me in a hospital, she can't be considered as my 'next of kin.'
So if we just abolish the idea of marriage as a legal issue and just promote legal unions to what marriages had, that would be a soloution.
Because who is in a legal union and doesn't want to be married?
o.o
EDIT::
And in responce to Only Christ:
I dunno if you can compare homosexuality to alcoholism because gluttony is one of the seven dealdy and (as far as I know, I never read any of the Bible) it is just about sodomy, which is any sort of sexualy perversion.
What exactly is a sin? Does the Bible say things like 'it is a sin to do blah'? Or is it just anything that the bible seems to look down on? That is actually a well-researched question. There are the Ten Commandments, naturally, and the Seven Deadly Sins. There are also many verses that state vaguely that sin is anything the person believes is wrong. For example, many Catholics strongly oppose alcohol, but drinking it is not technically a sin. Jesus drank it. As long as one does not overconsume, there is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol . . . unless the person believes it is wrong. If one's body/mind tell them that doing something is wrong, then it is a sin. I strongly oppose alcohol and smoking, though they are not sins by the bible (I don't think smoking is, anyway). My heart and body tell me that they are both wrong, so, to me, they are both a sin. Another example is, if there is a girl that believes people should not wear green shirts on Tuesday, then it would be a sin against her if she wore a green shirt on Tuesday, but it would not be a sin against me because I believe that wearing a green shirt on Tuesday is perfectly fine. There is actually a broader area about a sin being something that takes your focus off of God, but I have a tendency to babble on forever, and this is off-topic, so I'll just end transmition now. =D
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:46 pm
Why thankyou 8D
So, not to talk bad about your beliefs...
From a secular view (at least mostly secular), Judaeism, and Christianity by extension, were made to help the people of those times to govern their lives and make good choices. Back then, all of the ideas in the bible were beneficial to the survival of the human race. Pork, which is non-kosher, has the potential to hold encysted parasites in the meat which would lead to near certain death if the meat is not thouroughly cooked.
Kosher food was made to help people avoid potentially dangerous disease from that food.
Going by your explaination of sin, does it mean that if I do not believe that sodomy (because I believe that homosexuality, just attraction is not a sin by the word of the bible) is not a sin, or even just a certain type of sodomy, is not a sin, is it not a sin.
Because everyone knows how much I like the boys <3
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:43 am
About the kosher fact: Indeed! Me and my friends were actually talking about that a few days ago! By a few days ago, I actually mean a few months ago XDD!
LOLOL!
I believe your second point may be correct, because the bible does not say that attraction is wrong, merely the act is wrong. Therefore, I do not, and have no reason to believe that the attraction of a person of the same sex would be a sin, as long as it does not go much further. However, I think some other laws of sin may be against the attraction as well. I will have to look it up some time, but it is highly likely.
btw: Your scary Picasso nurse is freaking me out. D=
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