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Aquiella

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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:27 pm

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This topic is for Christians and those curious about the faith.

THIS IS NOT A DEBATE OR DISCUSSION!!

I think a GOOD christian guild should have a topic on getting saved in the main forums. We are supposed to save souls. How can we do that if you don't tell anyone HOW?!?

Please DO NOT move this topic into debates. If it gets modified at all, it should be made a sticky so that those who are truly interested in the subject can find what they need.

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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:28 pm

YES!!! Of course you can be sure! I am!

Now, I don't claim to be the correct faith or anything like that. I'm not saying what you believe is wrong.

I'm just saying.... you should at least consider that I may be on to something. wink

I'm a christian, but I'm nondenominational. Not because I think the others are wrong, but because I don't completely agree with any of the one's I've come across.

I have, however, looked at all the different branches of Christianity, and have noticed a few common points.

One of which is how to get into heaven.

They all have one thing in common. To get into heaven, you must first be saved.

And to get saved, one must accept Jesus.

But how?

Well, I've read up on that and talked to alot of people and I've been able to reduce it to five steps.

I know what your probably thinking. "She's blastpheming!!" "She's full of it." "She doesn't know what she's talking about." "She MUST have missed something!"

I assure you, is really is as simple as counting to five.

At least look at it before accusing me of being wrong. Okies? 4laugh sweatdrop

1) Believe that There is only ONE god and that He is so powerful and so omnipresent that nothing in existance can ever come close to comparing to His splendor.

2) Believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that he died on the cross for our sins.

3) Believe that, three days later, he rose from the grave.

4) Confess to the Lord that you are a sinner.

5) Ask Him to come into your heart and live in you.

Poof! Your done! It's that easy! You can even do it in your bedroom in the dead of night and by yourself!!

"But what about the rest of the bible?" you ask?

That's not important right now. You need to be saved before that becomes important.

"But how will you know?" Well, after your saved, God will prove to you that you've made the right decision. He DOES show proof of His existance, but it's usually only AFTER you've made the decision.

And you CAN'T CHEAT on this. God knows your heart, soul and mind. You can't hide ANYTHING from Him. It's all or nothing.

Going through the motions doesn't get you saved. The BELIEF gets you saved. You just need to confirm that you believe by following steps 4 and 5.

If you have any comments or questions(and no snide remarks about me being wrong) then post away!! I'd like to help if I can!! 4laugh 4laugh

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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:26 pm

Accepting Jesus is not the way to salvation (At least, not alone.)- There need to be good acts. You need to be a good person. Follow the example of Jesus, even if you don't worship the figure.

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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:56 pm

divineseraph

Accepting Jesus is not the way to salvation (At least, not alone.)- There need to be good acts. You need to be a good person. Follow the example of Jesus, even if you don't worship the figure.

I think God honors progress more than anything, and what is progress for one person may not be progress for another, depending on where you are. For some people, just accepting God and Jesus is a HUGE act, and lots of progress. Maybe 5-10 years down the line God will ask for more.

Romans 3:31
Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.

Romans 4:1-3
Abraham was, humanly speaking, the founder of our Jewish nation. What were his experiences concerning this question of being saved by faith? Was it because of his good deeds that God accepted him? If so, he would have had something to boast about. But from God's point of view Abraham had no basis at all for pride. For the Scriptures tell us, "Abraham believed God, so God declared him to be righteous."

I have also heard that Jesus has said something along the lines of 'If you believe in me, you will do as I do'. Paraphrasing. This together with whats above shows that works are very important, but they're not the primary thing... faith is. That faith has been what God has wanted most from us since way back when Abraham walked the earth.

And I believe that faith leads to works... they are an outward sign of an inward faith, or they mean nothing.

I dunno. I guess I am not really disagreeing, but expanding a bit.

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:56 am

Ill agree with Divine Seraph point 6) Should be salvation through Works talking the talk no matter how sincire is empty without walking the walk.

I know you said you dont want this to be a debate, but ....it's hard not to correct what is veiwed as a mistake. And since you profess to be Non Denominational this really has to be applied.

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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:56 am

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divineseraph

Accepting Jesus is not the way to salvation (At least, not alone.)- There need to be good acts. You need to be a good person. Follow the example of Jesus, even if you don't worship the figure.

I think God honors progress more than anything, and what is progress for one person may not be progress for another, depending on where you are. For some people, just accepting God and Jesus is a HUGE act, and lots of progress. Maybe 5-10 years down the line God will ask for more.

Romans 3:31
Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.

Romans 4:1-3
Abraham was, humanly speaking, the founder of our Jewish nation. What were his experiences concerning this question of being saved by faith? Was it because of his good deeds that God accepted him? If so, he would have had something to boast about. But from God's point of view Abraham had no basis at all for pride. For the Scriptures tell us, "Abraham believed God, so God declared him to be righteous."

I have also heard that Jesus has said something along the lines of 'If you believe in me, you will do as I do'. Paraphrasing. This together with whats above shows that works are very important, but they're not the primary thing... faith is. That faith has been what God has wanted most from us since way back when Abraham walked the earth.

And I believe that faith leads to works... they are an outward sign of an inward faith, or they mean nothing.

I dunno. I guess I am not really disagreeing, but expanding a bit.

For good actions, we shouldn't have pride. We should do good things anyway. We should just NOT slip into greed and hate, as easy as they may come in the rich material world.

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:43 am

Well the thing is, it's faith, not works. Without faith works are nothing. So faith and works kind of go hand in hand, but if you can only have one, have the faith....

I still think if you really believe then you'll start living it to some degree at some point in your life, though.

Anyways.

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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:07 am

James 19-22
19Thou belivest that there is one God; thou doest well: the Devils also belive and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 was not Abraham our father justified by works when he had offerd Issac his son upon the alter? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works and by works was faith made perfect?

Yes, Faith is obviously required, but Works are also required to compltete the Christian Etho's

It is fine to say to a cold and homeless man "I wish you well sir and hope you find a coat and meal" but it is the Christian thing to Give him your coat and feed him.

Romans 6:23 states that salvation through Faith is a free gift this is true for Faith in our lord Jesus Christ is a free gift, but like if i were to hand you a twenty dollar bill, the offer itself does not put the money in your position, you must stretch out your hand, through works and take it.

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:38 pm

Work and faith goes hand and hand. It's a balance. Without one the other can't happen nor can it exist. Without faith works can't happen. But without works faith can't happen. You're pretty much a walking contradiction if you have one or the other. Jesus had/did BOTH works AND faith. Isn't the true goal, not to get to heaven but to know that by doing good works that you touched someone out. Or have Christians nowadays forgotten the true meaning behind Christ's teachings? Have Christian's become with greedy with going to heaven and getting to God's kingdom, that they've forgotten to help those that are in need, not those who aren't in need? That's my two cents.

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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:54 pm

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Work and faith goes hand and hand. It's a balance. Without one the other can't happen nor can it exist. Without faith works can't happen. But without works faith can't happen. You're pretty much a walking contradiction if you have one or the other. Jesus had/did BOTH works AND faith. Isn't the true goal, not to get to heaven but to know that by doing good works that you touched someone out. Or have Christians nowadays forgotten the true meaning behind Christ's teachings? Have Christian's become with greedy with going to heaven and getting to God's kingdom, that they've forgotten to help those that are in need, not those who aren't in need? That's my two cents.

...Which is why more emphasis should be placed on the heart. Err, some explanation:

The word that is translated into Greek and then into other languages as heart is dirived from a Hebrew word and idea that means "whole life". That is, body, mind, soul, action, ect....

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:51 pm

what happens to the jews and muslims? : o
they dont accept jesus <<

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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:48 am

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what happens to the jews and muslims? : o
they dont accept jesus <<

Jews believe that Jesus is the messiah and muslims believe that he was a pbuh or prophet. Some Christians don't think Jesus is God. They believe that Jesus is the son of God. Whereas most Christians think he is God. Because of this division of opinion we don't really know who goes to heaven and who goes to hell, and we as humans can't say who goes to heaven and who goes to hell because ummm hello, we're human. Only God knows that answer. So yeah, we can't tell someone or a group of people that they are going to hell, because for all we know, we could be the ones going to hell for doing God's job. It's between that person and God, or that group and God, not us and that person. God can do his own job, ya know?

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