|
|
| Do you agree with WJ's assessment of AMC? |
| Yes |
|
83% |
[ 5 ] |
| No |
|
16% |
[ 1 ] |
|
| Total Votes : 6 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
 Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:06 am
WhiteJoker I have a question for you. Why is it that we rarely ever see a supposedly intelligent topic that isn't criticizing the mentality of the average user in AMC? Why is it that we rarely ever have these supposedly intelligent users taking their supposed intelligence and leading an actual discussion that involves anime? Why is it that we find it so much easier to say "is everybody stupid?" and then standing around congratulating one another on how easy it is to point out the lowest common denominator instead of actually doing something about raising the bar. Why is it that we almost never get anything like "I recently picked up _____ and I found it to be an incredibly deep and complex take on the classical gothic tale. I loved how the creators links the character ____ with the mythical _____, and their characterization I thought was spot on. However, I did have a problem with their adaption of the basic plot, mostly due to the ____" and then actually leading the discussion such that it could be considered intelligent? I've been here for nearly a year and a half now, I've been a moderator for at roughly half of that time, I've been essentially the primary, sometimes the only, moderator for this forum for at least six months. I know what people post, I know how much of it people post, and quite honestly, I consider it a miracle when somebody posts even a single topic that could be considered "intelligent" and wasn't pointing a finger at the masses of AMC or accusing them of one human trait or another. Yes, I'm answering your question with my own question, but none the less, why is it that the "intelligent" users sink to complaining and whining about how our intelligence is being wasted instead of actually doing something with that intelligence and try changing the trend? Why not make the one thread that isn't just like every other? Why not take the leap of faith and actually try to talk about anime, manga, comics, or animation in a forum for that instead of the people in it?
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:26 am
Yes and no.
There's really not much a point for main except for widesweeping generalizations of things and versus threads.
All of the indepth discussion about various shows etc. are in their appropriate subforums, or have been moved there, and any such thread about a show that's finished has likely been "discussed to death" by the regs of that thread, leaving it to be no more than a bumper's toy and the occasional new poster that dares to poke his/her head in. These are either welcomed into the fold or pounced upon like sharks on a body, depending on the type of thread. The threads that have the greatest chance of survival are the ongoing ones, where you can discuss the nuances and intricacies of each new episode or issue as they come out.
Another problem is that the vast majority of people in main like to post and run. They spout off one-liners and never return to the threads again. Which makes it awfully hard to keep up a running conversation or discussion. I suppose the biggest problem is lack of information aka ignorance. They either respond to it on the spur of the moment, or take no time to read the facts presented to them.
Speaking of Gaia in general, and the AMC forums in particular, too many regs are stuck on 'autopilot'. They have a set form which they use to respond to threads and other responses. They are too narrowminded to look outside this form, a good example is automatically labeling for the Bin anything with Inuyasha in the title or pointing them to the "Inuyasha Domain", or a non AMC example is responding to a BUMP in the Q&F forum. Many regs like to feel superior to others, so they lurk in their respective forums, waiting for a hapless victim to trigger their "attack".
Which is kind of sad, because these, generally, are the same people that whine about people not reading or spam in the forums, yet they are doing the exact same thing. In fact, here I am, whining about it myself. surprised Yet, I'm doing so in response to the topic, not just to rant for... ok well partially to rant. Regardless that's the way I see it.
Minor note:While grammar and spelling are important for text-based communication, unless it's so horribly mangled that you can't understand it, don't bother to point it out. It's really stupid watching people go on and on about grammar and spelling instead of addressing the points brought up in said post. A few words here and there are fine, the "best of us" make typos and that doesn't make me think any less of them. So barring complete raping or mangling of the English language to the point of incomprehensibility (is that a word? xp ) it really doesn't need to be addressed in a debate. Mentioned as an afterthought perhaps, but it shouldn't be the focus of your response.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Harbinger of Pandamonium Crew
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:48 am
Well I certainly didn't mince words in my responce to his inital post so there's no point in doing so here. I agree with most of the points that WJ brought up. KtC's thread just makes me wince, it's just bullshit aimed at getting some congradulatory responces from regs. It's so ******** easy to jump all over the scapegoat/straw man/lowest common denominator, but apparently its far too hard to do anything constructive about it. I agree with you to a point Phoe on the ultimate destiny of AMC as a forum but I would argue that it is an excellent place to discuss fandom in general as well as themes that transcend specific titles or mediums. Grendel's threads are a prime example of this as well as Sunflowergoddess's Hentai thread etc. Posting and running is a serious issue as well, but some threads like Spider's YAOI/BL thread have attracted a few regulars which is all you need to keep a thread alive. Make it interesting enough to make people want to come back. It's just as much the authors' faults as the respondants. I agree about the autopilot bit completely and I don't bother with that crap because there's at least a dozen other people lined up behind me to do it. What does annoy me is that these same people are going around feeding Maniac on the loose like they've never seen a troll before. Being a**l about spelling and grammar is just stupid. kissmekillme Bruce_Wayne Inuyasha274 what your talking about my grammer skills. well you can suck these nuts. did I spell that right? scream Your grammer still sucks. You forgot to capitalize.. Did you ever the second grade?If so then you're what's wrong with the school system these days. stare Grammar. With an "A." Case in point.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:57 am
Battousai Oni I agree with you to a point Phoe on the ultimate destiny of AMC as a forum but I would argue that it is an excellent place to discuss fandom in general as well as themes that transcend specific titles or mediums. Grendel's threads are a prime example of this as well as Sunflowergoddess's Hentai thread etc.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Harbinger of Pandamonium Crew
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:59 am
Bah, I love semi-coherent middle of the night posts. But yeah I guess I didnt realize what you meant by generalizations.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:18 am
Bah. I'll have a full post up tomorrow, but for now, suffice to say that I'd like to point out that however long it takes to write those kind of threads can be used just as well making threads that have actual points, like WJ indicated.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:31 am
An hour is not a long time, and that's about as long as it took me to write my thread. I would suspect that most of these pseudo intellectuals don't have jack s**t to say. Hell I don't even like YAOI.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:43 am
The problem with Gaia's discussion.
You guys know what something. I've been to other forums before. Like usual, noobs do appear. The regular people who are there are the ones who usually give intelligent discussions. Those noob's silly posts would be flamed like hell. So much so that newbies know what they are doing is wrong. And some even stop posting(this is better - rather have less posts than to see idiotic posts)
And those forum's rabid fangirlism is almost non existent.
The problem here is at Gaia, the place is filled with immature newbies. Yes, they make up more of the total members than the intelligent ones. So I can only say nothing could be done to solve the problem.
Why I like Gaia?
it's big, there's a lot of things you could do.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:53 am
Don't let the majority oppress you is my reaction to what you're saying. I've been to just about every kind of forum there is on the net and I would agree that n00bs always exist and they're in the greatest number here. That makes it harder to carry on intelligent conversations but not impossible. You just have to filter out the white noise and expect to have to search around for a while. I won't lie and tell you that finding an audience for my journal and my YAOI thread have been easy, I average about twenty to thirty views on each entry and I've had to do a fair amount of bumping to keep my thread running but I would also say that it's worth every second of it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:03 pm
Spider_Jerusalem An hour is not a long time, and that's about as long as it took me to write my thread. I would suspect that most of these pseudo intellectuals don't have jack s**t to say. Hell I don't even like YAOI. But, y'see, from what I saw (I admit I didn't read it closely), that thread is exactly what we want; an intelligent topic relating to anime or a genre of it and stuff like that. My point related to all the people bitching about how the AMC is going down the hole and posting their rants about it there.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:57 pm
Zelyhon But, y'see, from what I saw (I admit I didn't read it closely), that thread is exactly what we want; an intelligent topic relating to anime or a genre of it and stuff like that. My point related to all the people bitching about how the AMC is going down the hole and posting their rants about it there.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:07 pm
|
Harbinger of Pandamonium Crew
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:25 pm
Extended Discussion about Extended Discussion.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:34 pm
"Cast not pearls before swine, I always say. AND that includes impudent little piglets."
Seriously, though. Why talk to the majority of AMC like they're of equal intelligence, when they're so very clearly not? I think it should be our goal to try and bring them up to speed. By force if need be. Then, once they've had the stupid forced out of them, we can try real discussions.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Harbinger of Pandamonium Crew
|
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:34 pm
Battousai Oni Extended Discussion about Extended Discussion.
EDIT: Put up my very first AMC thread Here. It may not be much, but hey it's got some neat responses.
I'm working on the first post for a thread about good vs evil and how it's all relative.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
