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 Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:22 pm
Part of this will be another one for Berz to jump headlong into. ^_^'
I hope you have some knowledge and pointers on this one, Berz and I hope you'll like the topic too.
Now, Tolkien created "Mithril". The term has also been used in other fantasy worlds. I've seen it quite a bit in the Final Fantasy series, but it's spelt "Mythril" instead.
I want to be similar, but different and more original in my own world. I want to have something that's like mithril/mythril but not using that term. I did a little research last night and came up with "Adamantium" which has been mentioned to me before. It's said to be a mythological metal that's almost indestructible. Apparently, true adamantium has been made (?) but that it's so rare and expensive to make that people don't really bother (and it was in America that it was made - so it says). It also says that in a large enough quantity it could withstand a hit from a nuclear weapon. However, the page doesn't say anything about its weight.
Tolkien's description of mithril was that it's extremely light but much much harder than steel.
Here's the Wikipedia information anyhow (I'm too lazy to go traipsing around hundreds of other websites trying to find more information right at this moment in time)...
Mithril
Adamantium
In all honesty, I am intending on using adamantium, but doing something a bit different to it. I can't really say what because it's my own idea, but I'm sure I can skirt around it enough to sap enough information from you guys in order to give it more clarity. ^_^'
Of course, this topic is for everyone and not just for my own research.
Anyone who's wanting to create such things in their own worlds can take the information discussed as well.
In my world, there are weapons and armour that are pretty much indestructible, and some of them are even soul bound so that nobody but the person it's forged for can actually wield it. Picking these things up may be one thing, but wielding them isn't possible for those who aren't meant for it. These things, depending on the user, can be withdrawn from wherever they are and summoned into being wherever their user is. Such a user must be amongst the highest ranks in magic in order to do such a thing. It's more or less the same as teleportation, aka the user disappears and reappears elsewhere. However, it's also summoning magic.
This has nothing to do with what the weapons and armour are made from though.
Also, this IS related to the topic but can also be talked about in another topic, but what about blast furnaces? I've been told that lava/magma is far too unpredictable to be manipulated, so in a renaissance/medieval kind of setting, would one work? if so how could it be created and manned?
I'm guessing they'd need to be massive for them to work, but I'm probably wrong. Berz?
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:25 pm
Right! I usually see the word "Mythril" instead of "Mithril" but that's besides the point. Some of my favorite mythril items can be found on Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, where they act as a source of "Combo Abilities". They also look pretty cool cuz they are all white in color and, they give the wielder an extra point to their "jumping" capabilities. Do you know where "Adamantium" is mostly referred to? In Marvel Comics of course! In the X-men comics to be more precise. One of my most favorite characters from there is Wolverine and, he had his skeleton covered in the darn thing through an experiment of some sort. I don't know how it happened cuz the comics never got to us here but, I've seen some of the story through TV shows. Adamantium is some times used (with a slightly different name) in FFTA. The name is actually "Adamantite" and it's supposed to be quite tough. I think that in the FF series, it's not as hard as adamantium but it might be close. I don't know... I haven't exactly made many materials in my worlds yet but, I HAVE made a certain breed of creatures that have a skeleton made of an organic material that resembles diamond. You know how diamond is one of the hardest materials known to man, right? Well, I figured that if a creature that was mostly adapted to living underground it would need strong fangs and claws to be able to live in any kind of terrain. That's why I wanted to give these creatures of mine a way to dig through almost anything. I think I know what you mean by that "Soulbound" thing. I have certain things like a special sword that can only be used by one character in the whole universe. The sword responds to his hand but that's only part of it. It's like the sword has a mind of its own or something. Don't get me wrong, anyone can wield that sword but, to actually use the powers it holds, well... that's something else entirely. wink
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:07 am
In my world, when a weapon or piece of armour is soulbound, picking them up is one thing but using them is another. Anyone can pick a soulbound sword up, for example, but if they attempted to swing it it'd weigh them down. Similar to King Arthur and the Sword in the Stone. It didn't matter about strength at all, because the toughest man couldn't take the sword from the stone, only the one chosen for it.
It's a similar concept here and requires supernatural thinking for it to be plausible.
I've heard the term Adamantite before as well, as well as Adamantine (which I could use). It's meant to be the hardest metal around apparently.
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:37 pm
That's quite cool Mel! I suppose those weapons work slightly different in our worlds, eh? Cool to know... Guess what though, the Adamantite from FFTA, is not exactly the toughest material there is. If you combine two adamantites together, you can make something called "Adamant Alloy", which is much stronger and, there are other combinations that are even tougher. Here are some other materials you can find in FFTA (1 & 2): * Materite - I think this is much stronger but I don't know by how much exactly. * Zodiac Ore - Not sure exactly if it's tougher than adamantite but, it's quite god. * Crusite alloy - you make it by combining 2 Zodiac Ores. * Silvril - This is a bit weird cuz I don't know if they actually translated the word "Mythril" wrong on that particular item or what. Even the missions that you get it from can be weird cuz they can say either "Seeking Silver" or "Mythril rush" so, I'm confused. * Mysidia Alloy - You get it by combining Adamantite and Silvril together. It's supposed to make great weapons and/or armor. I think that's about it... BTW, I've been thinking about what you asked about blast furnaces and I doubt you could actually use one on a medieval setting without magic around. If anyone has played Legend of Mana, we could talk about the kinds of weapons or armor could be made in it and the materials that were available in the game. It's funny but to make the weapons/armor there, you used nothing else other than a seemingly normal furnace.
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:50 pm
There is also the term "adamant" which is another term for diamond. The implication is that diamond is somehow involved in the creation of adamantium, making it a very hard metal. I'm fond of the term "orichalcum," myself. Here's the wiki article on it. I use it as the magic metal of the immortals in my world. Berz.
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:59 am
So I've heard though, adamantium/adamantite/adamantine is meant to be heavier rather than lighter though. A friend suggested creating my own just as Tolkien did...I'm in limbo with this one at the moment.
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:28 pm
I think I've heard of that Berz. It's funny how many different kinds of metals or alloys people have created over the years.
I happen to like how that sounds, you know? Orichalcum? I liked how they used it in the game "Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis". If you ever have a chance to play it, do so. You won't regret it! wink
Hey Mel! How about Adacalcum as your metal? Or maybe Orichaltite? Which one sounds better? I suppose if it was me, I'd go with Orichaltite. mrgreen
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:36 pm
The "-tite" suffix suggests a stone rather than a metal, though. I would go with something like "orichaltium" or some such.
Berz.
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Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:46 am
They're good suggestions. I had another idea that I am slowly working around, but I'll keep those in mind. wink
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:27 pm
Really Berz? I hadn't thought of that to be honest. I suppose yer right about the "tite" thing...
I never even considered anything like "Orichaltium". Not bad...
Hey Mel! Have you considered giving that metal a name like "Ishe-Platinum"? I got that from "Legend of Mana" so maybe if there's an area that is able to produce a lot of that metal, then maybe it should sort of have the name of the place attached to it somehow like: "Atlantian-ore" or "Norfolk-adamantite". Just a thought... wink
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Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:03 am
All ideas are welcome. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:29 pm
I'm glad you liked my idea! If I come up with more I'll return and post it.
For now, I seem to recall that forging can be pretty easy in games but, most of said games don't have a lot of deep research into the area of blacksmithing (sp?), do they?
For example, in Legend of Mana you have a place where you can forge yer own weapons and armor but, other than choosing a material, you don't get to do much else and so forging is pretty simple (There's also the adding of ingredients but that's besides the point).
I just had an idea and with gaming consoles like the Wii, wouldn't you like to see a game that allowed you to actually feel like you are grabbing the metal and hammering it down with motions with the motion sensitive controllers (the Wiimote and nunchuck)? I think that could be great cuz I don't know how intricate making a weapon or armor can be.
What do you all think of this idea of mine? Hmm? neutral
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:49 am
Off topic: I don't have a Wii, and right now the only games I'd probably play on it are The Legend of Zelds: Twilight Princess and Dragonquest (though I hear tell of a Castlevania coming out on it?). Other than that it'd be the downloadable NES and SNES games. The whole idea of these music games etc etc is starting to really aggravate me and somehow the idea of waving my arms around a lot just puts me off. All these games on the 360 and PS3 are equally as annoying. The idea of Guitar Hero and Singstar just make me want to cringe. If people want to get into the world of music, go an do a course at college. Consoles are for gaming, and that isn't gaming. I still prefer button bashing as opposed to what Zero Punctuation (Yahtzee Croshaw) called "random stick waggling."
Back on topic!
However! If there was an RPG that involved the forging of weapons and armour on a game on the Wii, then having the option to use the sticks to do so would be an interesting one.
I don't want to go into the idea I was working on really, because someone else lurking around might pick it up. The ideas floating around here are very helpful in adding to it though. ^_^'
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:34 am
I agree with you on the off topic thing Mel and I feel that's the only thing I should say about it, otherwise I'm juts gonna promote talking about only that and there are threads for that kind of thing. I can't believe that we also seem to have that in common (I also don't like music games as much).
I'm so glad that you seem to like my idea of having the nunchuk and Wiimote used as the tools of the blacksmith. I think it could be a good experience for anyone who has always been curious or fascinated by the old ways. Especially blacksmiths! You don't have to go into yer idea Mel, I'm just glad you commented on mine and it would be neat to see it done one day. I find the Wii to be a very cool console and it's odd that the other two companies are mostly betting on awesome graphics and not implementing new and innovative forms of gameplay. But anyway, it's too bad I don't know much about the whole forging thing or I could say lots more things on the subject.
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:32 am
My story has 2 rather mystic ores, and so far I've only named one: Stormstone. It's like mythril or titanium or platneum. The raw ore is gunmetal blue and as it's refined, it becomes smoky silver. Dragon fire is the only thing that's hot enough to melt the ore, and like adamantium it can't be re-forged or recycled. It is worked exclusively by the Northern Dwarves, and can hold some magical charge.
The other one I don't have a name for, but it's worked exclusively by the Southern Dwarves. While it's not as durable as Stormstone, it is like a magical super-battery; a thimble can hold enough magical power to create a typhoon! ^_^
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