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Again, I catch thirty-one flavors of s**t for suggesting this, but are a lot of pro-choicers just kind of...well...retarded?

Seriously. The debate isn't even about whether abortion is right or wrong anymore. It's over those heavily contested and controversial questions like "where do babies come from? Will people conceive children even if they don't have sex? Are human babies in human mothers parasites?"

I mean, seriously. I don't even think most of us are on the same page with regards to the subject of abortion. There isn't a ton of baseline knowledge people need to know about the issue, but not knowing it, and being antagonistic as a substitute for objective information, makes for a truly headdesking experience.

It's messed up, but a lot of people make "pro-choice" the default for "moral deficiency, apathetic regard for anyone but themselves, and terribly uninformed or misinformed about the subject."

And, before, you "caught thirty-one flavors of s**t" because you were posting in the subforum, which is meant for Pro-Lifers and Pro-Choicers to get along and/or discuss abortion in a safe, friendly environment. Do you think a group for, I don't know, the discussion of drug rights, would or should stand for a post saying "Drug users are morons"?

Who are some people who are emotionally pro-life in the abortion thread? That have no facts or real information?

Who thinks all pro-choicers are idiots?



First of all, I wasn't referring to anything that went on in this forum. Second, "get along and/or discuss abortion in a safe, friendly environment"? "Drug users are morons"? The hell are you blathering about?

I don't even really bother that much with the abortion thread anymore, it's not even a debate half the time and lot of the arguments and things people say half the time don't seem to make any sense.

Both sides in that debate seems to lack facts (without facts, it's just mere opinion which doesn't do much for the debate).

What the hell are you even talking about? I'm feeling some abuse of power coming on.

As for gladly giving respect, I've never seen you give anyone respect, gladly or not. I suspect you would "respect" someone who agreed with you and licked your boots, but, sadly, you will not get that from me.

Seriously, what's this persecution complex you've got going on? I'm not trying to play "gotcha," I'm not pulling punches.

Looking back, I see it was "BeautifulDick" who actually made the thread and, while I still believe that was you, since I have no proof, I'll rescind that.

If you were not speaking of that thread, praytell, what were you speaking of?


How about, "The Bible says so," "God doesn't want us to kill babies," "You're killing babies," "You're murderers," etc? Yeah, it's all on a theme, but we're not talking about intelligent people here.

And like I remember who exactly they were. This was two years ago. I don't memorize the names of every stupid person I meet; That would take up all of my brain space, and I need that for more important things. Be glad I remember your name.


Again, like I remember there names. Do you deny that such Pro-Lifers exist?


What? I'm very strongly Pro-Life, Erasmas. I am in the, apparently small, percentage who believe that abortion should be reserved for only cases where the mother's life is in danger, and that it shouldn't be called abortion then as the death of the fetus is an unfortunate side effect of saving the mother's life. I just don't defend people just because they are also Pro-Life. And I don't attack people just because they are Pro-Choice.

I know you've got this "It's a war, us against them, so why be nice?" thing going on, but that's not the case; There are intelligent people on both sides, there are stupid, gullible, sheeplike people on both sides. As Pro-Lifers, we all tend to see it as "Pro-Choicers are gullible, stupid people otherwise they wouldn't be Pro-Choice," but that's simply not the case. I do believe that their arguments are, on a whole, wrong and incomplete. I think it's ridiculous how many people believe them. But it is not because they are stupid. It's because that's the way they've been raised, it's because that's the way everyone around them thinks, and it's because they have developed an emotional belief that the right to bodily integrity overwrites every other right.

You most likely misunderstood what I was saying; What I was saying was, there are probably more hit-and-runners, and mindless zealots, on the Pro-Life side, because a lot of sensible Pro-Lifers just quit the debate, because they don't want to deal with the stress. There's not as much stress for the Pro-Choicers, because they have the advantage of numbers.

So, percentage wise, more of the smart Pro-Lifers quit than the smart Pro-Choicers. If there is a starting percentage on both sides that is equal, the end percentages will have a higher number of idiots on the Pro-Life side than on the Pro-Choice side.

Well you keep asking me for the exact names of stupid Pro-Lifers, so I can only assume you don't believe in their existence.

Oh, so because some Pro-Choicers do it, we should do it? Because some Pro-Choicers use dirty, underhanded methods, we should?

On Gaia, there is a much higher percentage of Pro-Choicers who are like that, yes, because their guild is led by people who support it. And there are fewer Pro-Lifers because our guild is led by people who do not. Our guild is led by people who are compassionate, and believe in civilized debate. So the Pro-Choicers of the Pro-Choice guild tend to agree with those tactics, shut up, or come here.

But it's not because Pro-Lifers are less likely to feel that way; I've met plenty of people who either think that way wholeheartedly or are at least like you and think, "Well if they do it, why shouldn't we?"

Again, I can't speak for now, but they did before.

And it's not an equal -number-, I never said there's an equal -number-, only an equal percentage. Since there are a lot more Pro-Choicers, there are a lot more numerically who do that then there are Pro-Lifers.

That's where we disagree. Your average Joe Pro-Choicer is just as unlikely to be like that as your average Joe Pro-Lifer. You just see them as more likely, because you're Pro-Life.

i frequent Digg.com which oft reminds me that there is little hope for the human race. 3nodding

Does that count?

Don't.

Don't.

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...well ...

Yes. sweatdrop