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 Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:08 pm
Many of us have come from Protestant/Catholic background. Most of as young children learn of all the angels and the saints and the pearly gates, but what is it really? I recently asked a Lakota indian what he thought heaven was. He told me that it was whatever WE needed it to be. This was the most insightful thing I think I've ever been told. So what do you think heaven is or what is it to you??
~Personally I think my heaven would be a beautiful place of my own in somewhere that looked like Ireland where I could be with my horses all day...etc you know things like that~
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:04 pm
I've had a few conversations about the nature of heaven/hell and all the such lately. In my opinion (as well as my friend's), Heaven is where those who believe in it go when they die, and it becomes whatever they had believed it to be. The same goes for hell. Your reality is made up of your own beliefs. If you believe that you're going to hell, and that it's fire and brimstone and torture, that's where you go. I was quite happy when I found someone who believed the same thing as me.
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:22 pm
I always believed heaven was a realm undescribable by the human conciousness. Being raised Roman Catholic, I have been always taught the belief that good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell. I don't think that hell or heaven are places that can be explained in physical terms (for example hell is typically is portrayed with fire, ect.). Personally, I feel I still need to figure out what I myself definitely believe in in concerns with the afterlife. It's nice to hear what other people believe though.
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:11 pm
i'm kind of a hindu theorist... you are created, with your soul mate sometimes, others not, and you go through lives learning your lessons... and then sort of reach oblivion....
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:01 pm
I believe that you die you go to a higher spiritual plane where you can create your own reality. My world would be that of nature... with mountians, the ocean, caves, and forests. I would hopefully be alongside my twin flame(s) in a world of harmony and balance.
However, I also believe that some sould get 'stuck' to this plane, wether it's due to unfinished bisuness, a lost love, or whatever, and I also believe that some souls may return to earth after death as either another living creature or as a spirit guide.
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:07 pm
Your guess is as good as anyones.
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:53 am
I believe that heaven is that state in-between death and then life. I believe that whenever you die, you simply loose your physical personality and your soul has a time to rest and process all of the lessons learned/karma "repaid" until your soul chooses when/where to come back into life (if it needs to). I don't think that in "heaven" you would get everything that you desire, because the personality is dead, and you no longer desire anything.
I'm not quite sure what I believe about "hell." Mostly, I think it's a made up concept to condemn those who don't believe in certain religions. I think it's just be a control tactic (because as America, we know fear is amongst the strongest control tactics).
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:31 pm
Xx_Moony_xX I always believed heaven was a realm undescribable by the human conciousness. Being raised Roman Catholic, I have been always taught the belief that good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell. I don't think that hell or heaven are places that can be explained in physical terms (for example hell is typically is portrayed with fire, ect.). Personally, I feel I still need to figure out what I myself definitely believe in in concerns with the afterlife. It's nice to hear what other people believe though. I agree. Hearing others' views on the afterlife helps me put my own views or beliefs, however lost, into perspective. Gives me a better hold on them. I also agree that those realms are extremely difficult to describe in human words. After all, these are not human places we are going towards. Chibisag86 i'm kind of a hindu theorist... you are created, with your soul mate sometimes, others not, and you go through lives learning your lessons... and then sort of reach oblivion.... What does this oblivion consist of? DreamerSpirit I believe that you die you go to a higher spiritual plane where you can create your own reality. My world would be that of nature... with mountians, the ocean, caves, and forests. I would hopefully be alongside my twin flame(s) in a world of harmony and balance. However, I also believe that some sould get 'stuck' to this plane, wether it's due to unfinished bisuness, a lost love, or whatever, and I also believe that some souls may return to earth after death as either another living creature or as a spirit guide. I was reading a book that said the souls who are afraid to move on to the next plain are 'psychological vampires' and they feed off of the psyche of the living. What do you think about this?? KappaKaeru I believe that heaven is that state in-between death and then life. I believe that whenever you die, you simply loose your physical personality and your soul has a time to rest and process all of the lessons learned/karma "repaid" until your soul chooses when/where to come back into life (if it needs to). I don't think that in "heaven" you would get everything that you desire, because the personality is dead, and you no longer desire anything. I'm not quite sure what I believe about "hell." Mostly, I think it's a made up concept to condemn those who don't believe in certain religions. I think it's just be a control tactic (because as America, we know fear is amongst the strongest control tactics). What about the desire to see your soulmate? Do you think that you see others in your afterlife realm? I'm in 100% agreeance with the control tactics part of your reply. It's my belief based partly on fact that the Catholic church have become experts at this. stare What do you think about the before reply that heaven or hell are what you create, or that you go where you think you're destined or deserve to go? Does conscience play a role, or does the same inevitably happen to us all, just specified to our desires? Damn that brings back the whole desire part again...but if the soul is a part of the body, why wouldn't you carry on desire?
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:34 pm
xenerayx KappaKaeru I believe that heaven is that state in-between death and then life. I believe that whenever you die, you simply loose your physical personality and your soul has a time to rest and process all of the lessons learned/karma "repaid" until your soul chooses when/where to come back into life (if it needs to). I don't think that in "heaven" you would get everything that you desire, because the personality is dead, and you no longer desire anything. I'm not quite sure what I believe about "hell." Mostly, I think it's a made up concept to condemn those who don't believe in certain religions. I think it's just be a control tactic (because as America, we know fear is amongst the strongest control tactics). What about the desire to see your soulmate? Do you think that you see others in your afterlife realm? I'm in 100% agreeance with the control tactics part of your reply. It's my belief based partly on fact that the Catholic church have become experts at this. stare What do you think about the before reply that heaven or hell are what you create, or that you go where you think you're destined or deserve to go? Does conscience play a role, or does the same inevitably happen to us all, just specified to our desires? Damn that brings back the whole desire part again...but if the soul is a part of the body, why wouldn't you carry on desire? Well first of all I think that if you have concious desire to meet your soulmate it may just be a human function. Linking to a deeper need to be understood (or something). I also believe, though, in the powers of intuition and I believe that if you are pulled to go certain places or meet certain people that it is a message from your higher self. So I think there is a difference between desire and intuition/inner wisdom. And with that said, I think that desire comes purely from your ego, which, I believe, dies with your body. I read in "Many Lives, Many Masters" that when you die, it's the same thing for everyone, everytime. It's when your soul returns to itself and is greeted by higher spirits. I also read in "The Celestine Prophecy" though that when you die (either if you kill yourself or you seriously get lost from the touch of your higher self) that your soul gets itself confused with your ego and you live in a world that you create. Be it the desirable world of fiction of a world created by your fears ("heaven" or "hell"). So I think it very well could be either the same every time or you end up in a reality you create. It could be one or the other or it could be neither or both. Although I personally don't necessarily believe that your ego could be carried over with your soul. Because I believe that, instead of our souls being a PART of us, WE (the ego) are actually a part of our SOULS. I've read that, to the soul, every live you've ever lived/will live are al happening simultaneously. Meaning that this lifetime Karma could be affecting your past, past lives, future or future lives at the same time it's happening. Crazy stuff.
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:39 pm
KappaKaeru Well first of all I think that if you have concious desire to meet your soulmate it may just be a human function. Linking to a deeper need to be understood (or something). I also believe, though, in the powers of intuition and I believe that if you are pulled to go certain places or meet certain people that it is a message from your higher self. So I think there is a difference between desire and intuition/inner wisdom. And with that said, I think that desire comes purely from your ego, which, I believe, dies with your body. I read in "Many Lives, Many Masters" that when you die, it's the same thing for everyone, everytime. It's when your soul returns to itself and is greeted by higher spirits. I also read in "The Celestine Prophecy" though that when you die (either if you kill yourself or you seriously get lost from the touch of your higher self) that your soul gets itself confused with your ego and you live in a world that you create. Be it the desirable world of fiction of a world created by your fears ("heaven" or "hell"). So I think it very well could be either the same every time or you end up in a reality you create. It could be one or the other or it could be neither or both. Although I personally don't necessarily believe that your ego could be carried over with your soul. Because I believe that, instead of our souls being a PART of us, WE (the ego) are actually a part of our SOULS. I've read that, to the soul, every live you've ever lived/will live are al happening simultaneously. Meaning that this lifetime Karma could be affecting your past, past lives, future or future lives at the same time it's happening. Crazy stuff. Wow. I'm like...amazed...that was very insightful, and I have to say, I feel a lot more comfortable with my death upon reading your post for some reason. I guess that I'm very afraid that there really isn't any afterlife, that the body just dies and that's it.
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:58 am
i was having a discussion with a friend of mine the other day. we where talking about the truths of H.P. Lovecraft and other writers. H.P. was sorta crazy, but people say his writings where so unimaginable and so off the wall and origional that he must have tapped into somehting, he was very much into the occult.
now the conversation geoff and i had was about the gods. Gods dont let themselves be seen unless there is a purpose, any mortal would go slightly insane at the sight of a god from is perfect beauty, its prefect sense of being. your mind would have no way to comprehend what you are seeing and your body would shut down to protect itself from destruction. another thing is that there are gods. not just GOD and jesus. in other religions they are called different things. Zeus for example. perhaps Gabriel is someone else in another religion as well. and heaven is the outer planes of reality.
humans are on earth for a reason. thousands of years ago there was a place called Atlantis. within atlantis they had strong connections with the gods. then technology came in, it grew fast and eventually it surpassed the faith. a civil war began between the technology and faith and atlantis fell... because of this, the gods cut the connection between humans and themselves until the time was right to connect back.
now only people with strong willpower can contact the outerplane and contact those gods. and well, like this thread is about. yes people do somewhat creat there "heaven" but thenagain, your living under the gods.
another religion is panthiest. which means when your mortal body dies, your soul becomes the earth. one of those spirit orbs persay. you watch over motherearth and protect her from harm.
...i think
okay, im done with my speech ^^
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Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 5:10 pm
heaven simply is everything youve always wanted
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:51 am
Kuri-kun now the conversation geoff and i had was about the gods. Gods dont let themselves be seen unless there is a purpose, any mortal would go slightly insane at the sight of a god from is perfect beauty, its prefect sense of being. your mind would have no way to comprehend what you are seeing and your body would shut down to protect itself from destruction. another thing is that there are gods. not just GOD and jesus. in other religions they are called different things. Zeus for example. perhaps Gabriel is someone else in another religion as well. and heaven is the outer planes of reality. Speaking of gods, I have an interesting theory about gods. My theory is that whether you are a monotheist or polytheist you are correct. With divinity there is, according to my belief, one main source. It is the source of love and hate, creation and destruction, light and dark. This could be considired God. However, as for the polytheistics, this soruce, this divinity, has many different faces and manifestations, thus the gods. Eh... I'm probably making no sense right now, but then again it's 4am, and my brain usally shuts off at around 3...
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:02 pm
gahhh... too many people to quote.... so ill just have to say my bit separately i guess... razz
Ok, this is what i think-
Heaven and Hell: I go with the theory of your belief creates your reality, but not just what you believe in mentally. I think the biggest part of our belief is how we live our lives. Actions speak louder than any words. You can say you are a good person, you can believe it, but if you don't live by it and instead become a murderer/rapist, i think you are creating a post-life situation based on the beliefs that you were showing through that, which in that case would be life and purity don't matter. Therefore your post-life "reality" would be based around those facts, so life goodness and purity would cease to exist there.
I do believe in reincarnation though, and i think we all must go through this darkness at some point in our cycle, for through darkness we also learn. You live, you die, you go to a reality that your life and beliefs have created. Then, when your spirit is ready, you move on to the next step, taking with you any left over kharma.
As for religion and gods. I think there is a central entity that rules over life and death, creation and destruction and so on. You can call it whatever you want. It has unlimited facets, like a gem. Depending on what you need in your life, you see different sides, all of which are true, but different in there own ways. In some way, our spirits have a connection with this primal entity. Perhaps sometime in our cycle we actually become part of it again, and then split out once more. Or maybe we are separated from it completely, yet resonate on a similar "frequency." Some people can tune into this energy more than others, and these are the people who do miracles, or spellwork, or anything of the sort.
After all, what was Jesus, if not the most famous wizard of all time?
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:02 pm
SilverWolfBounding As for religion and gods. I think there is a central entity that rules over life and death, creation and destruction and so on. You can call it whatever you want. It has unlimited facets, like a gem. Depending on what you need in your life, you see different sides, all of which are true, but different in there own ways. In some way, our spirits have a connection with this primal entity. Perhaps sometime in our cycle we actually become part of it again, and then split out once more. Or maybe we are separated from it completely, yet resonate on a similar "frequency." Some people can tune into this energy more than others, and these are the people who do miracles, or spellwork, or anything of the sort. After all, what was Jesus, if not the most famous wizard of all time? Jesus is a very interesting figure... I've heard many diffrent theories about how he went about preforming miracles. Most of these theories say that he did indeede tune into divinity, using many different methods to go about preforming miracles... using everything from some form of reiki to alchemy.
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