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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:46 pm


I just saw a show about this on RFDTV 0_0 (a huge horse/tractor channel)

My opinion is that if you are over weight (I have NO problem with it at all)
find a horse that is your size and that would work good with you, ya know?

My close friend let her horse be used for lessons when she went away, and an overweight rider rode him at least twice a week, about two hours after the lesson the horses legs were always puffy, the vet ACTUALLY told her to not let that person ride the horse again because the horses joints couldn't handle it.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:13 am


I agree that you should find a horse which has the ability to support a person who is...overweight.

Some riding instructors though are pretty rude to overweight riders. Like last year at camp, we all went on a trail ride and my slightly overweight friend fell from her horse and cried.

The lady was so mean to her and referred to her as the 'obese girl' from then onwards.

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Nilou

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:39 am


This subject has been done to death but I do like to research, or put my feelers out on the general "feeling".

http://www.horse-country.com/jriders/jrjweight.html


Carrying Weight and Distribution

By: Galadriel Billington

There are two main concerns when a horse has to carry a heavy rider. One is the overall weight, of course. The other concern is how much AREA is distributing the weight.

A horse can often carry about 20% of his own weight. For a 1000 pound horse, 20% would be 200 pounds, rider AND tack. A very fit horse or a stout horse may be able to carry more; some breeds were specifically bred to carry heavier weights, such as the Arabian, Quarter Horse, or Icelandic pony. If a horse is made to carry too much weight, you may cause damage to his bones or skeletal structure; extra force as he moves may also cause damage to his tendons and ligaments.

http://lorienstable.com/services/fitting/weight/

Factors to consider
Always take the following into account when determining how much to weight you can load, whether it’s your trail horse, your pack horse, your saddle mule or your pack mule:

The animal’s size and weight
The animal’s current health (including the condition of their feet!)
The animal’s conditioning and fitness level (including whether or not he’s well rested)
The animal’s conformation (see more information on this subject below)
The animal’s attitude (just like with teenagers, some just won’t WANT to carry as much)
The animal’s age (too young is just as limiting as too old)
The weight of the trail saddle or pack saddle, as well as how well it fits the horse or mule
How well the saddle can distribute weight across the animal’s back (a pack saddle is designed to distribute more weight than a trail saddle, and a good, square skirted trail saddle will be much better than a small barrel saddle. We strongly advise you not to use a tree-less saddle)
The rider’s weight
Ability of the rider (a novice rider often throws the horse off balance without meaning to)
Design of the packs or horse saddlebags (how do they attach? Are they stabilized at enough points?)
Distance of the ride (don’t forget; you can always lesson the horse’s effort by walking part of the trail yourself)
Type of terrain (obviously mountainous versus flat terrain is a major difference, but also consider whether or not the horse will be off-trail and stepping over trees, rocks, creeks, etc.)
Altitude (ALWAYS allow your horse to acclimate to altitude change; just like us, they can suffer severe altitude sickness)
Temperature and weather conditions
How well do you know your animal?
I cannot stress enough that you have to know your animal. You should re-evaluate for every trip at least the animal’s condition as well as the temperature, distance, altitude and terrain of your ride and base your load weight on those factors. If your animal is not up to the task you are asking of him, you may be endangering not only his life, but yours as well. And remember: even though they share a pasture and get the same amount of exercise, each animal is truly different. For example, I once owned a tough, raw-boned pack mule named Henry. Henry only weighed about 1100 pounds, but he could pack a 250 pound load for 15 miles in hot weather and dance the whole way. However, Daisy is pushing 35 and would be retired if she didn’t pitch such a fit when she gets left behind. Daisy’s loads typically weigh in at maybe 12-15% of her body weight. We all walk a little slower to accommodate her and I keep her in mind when deciding how far we’ll go each day.

Conformation
Conformation is often a factor in how well your loads ride. For example, the load on a low-withered animal will need to be packed carefully and evenly. Even a minor difference in weight or weight distribution from one side to the other can cause the saddle to constantly shift. At best, this is an inconvenience, as you will have to constantly stop and adjust your packs. At worst, the saddle could slip to the side completely and cause a wreck. As another example, a short-backed horse may not be able to carry heavily weighted large saddlebags as they may sit uncomfortably on the horse’s kidneys.

Rider’s Weight vs. Pack Weight
Additionally, it is important to remember that live weight (the rider) rides differently than dead weight (a pack load of any kind) and the 20% rule doesn’t necessarily apply to live weight. A rider can shift in the saddle to help compensate for rough terrain or can even get off and walk. A good rider is also easier for a horse to carry than an inexperienced one. An experienced rider in a well-fitting saddle on a well-conditioned horse might be fine on a long, tough ride, even if the combined weight of saddle and rider is more than 20% of the animal’s body weight.

Dead weight, on the other hand, cannot adjust to terrain changes and, therefore, must be carefully packed to stay in place regardless of conditions. Remember, gravity works. Once a pack begins to slide off to one side, it gravity will keep it going. This can upset your animal, cause soring or, even worse, a disastrous wreck.

Packing a load to ride well
Unfortunately, there are no hard and fast rules on how to pack a load. It depends upon what you are packing, your equipment, your animal and your experience level. However, there is one rule to always bear in mind…equal size, equal weight and equal weight distribution. If you follow this rule, you should generally have less trouble packing a load.

Equal size. It is much easier to balance a load that is the same size on each side. This is easy with panniers and saddlebags, which have a fixed size. It is more difficult with mantied loads. This is the main reason I recommend panniers to beginning packers.
Equal weight. Any kind of load should be balanced. If your panniers, saddlebags or horn bags do not weigh the same, you need to balance the lighter side by hanging something else off of that side such as your bow or rifle scabbard, pack saw, camp axe or extra water bottle.
Equal weight distribution. Try to pack each pannier, saddlebag or horn bag so that the weight is distributed evenly throughout. Do not pack all of the grain in the front of one pannier and your down sleeping bag in the back. Also, while most animals best carry weight high and close to their back, be careful not to make a load top heavy. Remember the top pack is meant for bulky, lightweight items.
Saddle Fit
Riding saddles and pack saddles need to fit well. A poor fitting saddle will not properly distribute weight across the horse’s back. If the fit is poor, it can cause sore muscles or even open wounds. Before loading any weight on your animal, be sure to double check the fit and condition of your saddle. If you run your hands between the saddle bars and the animal, you should not feel any significant gaps in contact - our rule of thumb is 85% even contact between the bars and the horse.

Sorry, No Simple Answer…
There is never a simple black & white answer to “How much weight can my horse carry?” The answer always has to be determined on an individual basis considering the factors mentioned above. As I said, most of these items are simply common sense, but so many of the horror stories that I have been told over the years could have easily been prevented if the people involved had just honestly and critically judged their animal’s strengths and weaknesses.

http://www.trailmaxsaddlebags.com/trailmax-news-updates/how-much-weight-can-my-horse-carry
PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:22 pm


I don't think the horse should have a problem if he/she big enough & fit enough to carry the weight and the rider has the proper equipment.

However, I think its very ...arrogant... of someone to be obese & out of shape and yet expect their horse to be superfit. I think a rider should be just as fit as their horse (relativly speaking).

Wow, Nilou that's very thurough.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:26 pm


if ur really fat i think u should stop riding until your decent weight
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:31 am


Well over weight or not you must think about your horse! Some people get on and expect their horses to be a fit animal that can carry them everywhere at any speed but thats not the case. If you can find a horse that suits your height AND weight without strain to them then you should be able to ride it. If you're not"fit" then just do exersizes at home as well as riding to trim down! ninja

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Saddlebred_Lover_247

PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:47 am


I think is better for the horse if it's a studer build.Like I wouldn't put a 160+ person on a little shetland , or a 50 pound rider on a shire.

A our little show there was a ... heavier lady who would ride a big sturdy morgan , and yea she did bounce a little to hard , but other than that there was realy nothing wrong.

The point i'm trying to make is ,yes it's better for you and the horse to be lighter.But if you are heavier i'd sugest riding a sturdier,bigger horse. (not that i'm saying any of you people are heavy.)
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:52 am


I still agree with the 15% rule, where the rider shouldnt be more than 15% of the horses weight. That's for your average horse under average work for the horse to comfortable and able to perform easily. The most a rider should be (in my opinion) is 20% the horses weight, and this is on a well conformed horse, and a good rider who wont interfer with the horse. The horse should ideally be fit before the heavier rider starts riding it, via lunging or another rider riding it or whatever. One thing I dont understand is why over weight riders that have a horse, when they want to have some horsey time, why they dont just lake their horse for a walk, like in hand. I used to do that sometime when I felt like going for a jog/walk.

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AriaStarSong

PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:06 pm


One important thing to remember is that fit and fat are not necessarily mutually exclusive terms. There's a girl on my school's lacrosse team who is, by all visual standards, significantly overweight. (I've heard some people actually refer to her as "Free Willy" before... people are mean, it's a fact of life) However, she's on an NCAA lacrosse team. She runs with the rest of the team, plays and practices with the rest of the team, and does all of the other workouts with the rest of the team. There is no doubt in my mind that this girl could kick my butt in anything physical (she's got a temper took, we don't piss her off) despite the fact that I probably weigh almost 100 lbs. less than she does. If you go by BMI, she would be considered obese, but she's certainly not out of shape.

In general, however, I do believe that if you expect your horse to be an athlete, you need to be one too. That's the only reason I run, is to improve my riding.

There is also a difference between an overweight educated rider and an overweight beginner. We have different weight limits depending on the type of rider for our program. The college riders can be significantly heavier (I'm not sure if we have a set weight limit... Mike is probably close to whatever it is... he's not that fat, he's just a really big guy) than the riders in our therapeutic riding program, where the weight limit is 200lbs. for riders who can walk and mount independently. 150 lbs. for full-assistance transfers (which, let me tell you, that is a LOT of weight if you're really doing a full assistance transfer! Granted, it's more than I weigh, but oh my word it's a lot of dead weight!)
The legal reasons for the different weight limits is what we can safely do an emergency dismount with for the safety of our riders. However, the real reason is because there's a difference between carrying a 200lb rider who knows how to move with the horse and manage their weight, and carrying a 200lb rider who interferes with the horse's movement, bounces on their back, or is just dead weight. There was a woman who rode FEI level on the ODS circuit when I was in high school who was quite large. She didn't ride any of the smaller, more delicate horses, but the horses she did ride never seemed to be at all inhibited by her because she knew how to manage her weight on their back.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:56 pm


I just think you should get a horse that is well-suited to you as far as size goes smile . Naturally, if you expect your horse to be fit, you should be fit too, but that doesn't mean overweight people shouldn't ride at all. They just need something large and stocky enough to carry their weight with no discomfort, like a solid QH or a draft cross.

I disagree that there should be a solid 15% cut-off, as it's different case-by-case, some people carry weight better than others, some horses are built to carry more weight, etc.

At ~150lbs, I'm technically well over the 15% "limit" (which would be around 136lbs) of my 910lb Arab, but I am certainly in no way too big for him - we're pretty well-matched.

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Silver's 20% limit would be 182lbs... though the only people who ever ride him are girls (most of them my size or smaller) and lean/lanky guys. So I think somewhere in between 15 and 20 percent for most normal horses. A lot of ponies can carry between 20 and 30 percent of their weight. Our pony, Rocket, is 13.2hh, 875lbs, and an absolute TANK. He has carried grown men with no trouble whatsoever.

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Nilou

PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:32 pm


What island is this on, I wonder.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:31 am


Nilou
What island is this on, I wonder.

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Saddlebred_Lover_247


Nilou

PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:44 am


...but did it make you smile? 4laugh
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:58 am


haha, Nilou you always make me smile razz

Elisha - very good point on the build of the horse. Breeds like Arabs or Quarter horses were bred to be small and agile, but also to be sturdy enough to carry a grown man. You have to look at the horse's conformation. A long, sway back and toothpick legs? Probably not going to be a good weight bearer. Well conformed legs and a shorter, strong back? Chances are they'll be able to support a little more.

A great option for people who are too heavy to ride is DRIVING! It's something we're really trying to promote in the therapeutic riding world right now, because there are no contraindications for driving as there are for riding, so a lot of people who you can't put on a horse can still get the benefit of being around the horse and working with them without putting themselves or the horses at risk. And it looks like fun. I've never driven myself, but I really really want to!

AriaStarSong


Nilou

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 11:18 am


Check out Barb Handelman (pro. dog trainer and author) with her horse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sQPpHsIMgQ
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