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 Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:26 pm
I am a young Christian, and on election day, I voted Yes on 8. I swear, for the longest time, I was the only kid I knew who voted for that. Almost immediately, I was shunned by my peers, by my friends...even my old youth group looked down on me. They all voted No!! The only other person I know my age that voted Yes, is my girlfriend. I'm not kidding.
My question is:
Has anyone else here experienced something similar to this because you voted Yes (or No) on 8? Have you lost friends, and even family over something like this?
I guess I just want to know that there are people like me out there. :/
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:04 pm
Is this the same-sex marriage thing?
I won't post my views, because this thread clearly isn't about that.
However, I feel sad that you have lost friends and family over this, and all I can do is pray for you.
I've never lost friends over my beliefs. We disagree a lot, but whenever if we get into an arguement, I say something like "I believe xxx, and this is why. I understand that you believe yyy, so we don't need to elevate this matter."
(Although in different terms. If I spoke like that my friends would laugh at me. :$)
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:18 pm
Since im not American i never got the chane to vote, however ive been in a simmiler situation. I Myself am Bisexual, however i maintain adamantly that Marriage should remain a Religious Institution instead i support the advancement of Civil partnerships.
This belife get's me a lot of stick and hatred from other Gay friends and straight that i know, i quite often get called a Hyprocrite and a traitor by people i know, for holding my Religious veiws so tightly.
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:43 pm
Yeah, and I think no one should have to go through that, no matter what side they are on of any issue. What happened to having a mind of your own? It just feels like every one is entitled to their own opinion, that is until your opinion goes against the popular belief.
As for We Don't Negotiate, I have to commend you. I can only imagine the kind of slack you've been getting from both sides about your opinions. Thumbs up to you, dude. biggrin
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:49 pm
Prop 8 was foolish to begin with, and based on little but hate and contempt for homosexuals.
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:09 pm
divineseraph Prop 8 was foolish to begin with, and based on little but hate and contempt for homosexuals. That has nothing to do with what this thread is about. Now I asked a specific question, and unless you do have a legitimate response to my question, please take your response elsewhere. Thank you.
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:12 pm
I haven't expierenced anything myself, but my sister goes to a Catholic school and she was the only one she could find that voted yes. I think it's sad, really.
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:33 am
I'm sorry you lost friends over this? Well for one, they might think you were being too prejudiced or something, but all the same its stupid for them to just drop you just because you voted yes. Sure it was the uber touchy Prop 8 but still dumb of them.
I can't believe I said that. A lot or people where I live would have loved to have voted Yes. I had people shun me a bit for wanting to vote No if i had lived in CA. This whole issue, on both sides, has hate for people who vote against their stances. Wasted hatred. Then again all hatred is a waste of emotions.
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:13 am
Well, although I voted Yes, I have nothing against anyone who voted No. I truly don't. And I wish that was understood by the friends of mine that would let something like this destroy that friendship.
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:36 am
There are some division that mere civility cannot bridge, and some issues on which a person's stance may serve to indict their larger character. You weren't voting on a school funding initiative or what to name a sewage plant. Proposition 8 was about people's rights, and you voted to strip them of those rights. Whether you believe God tells you to hate gays (and don't give me any of that 'love the sinner' crap; when you feel justified in relegating a group of people to the status of second-class citizens, then it's reasonable to say you hate that them), the fact remains that you helped write discrimination into California's constitution, and you have done real harm to people who've committed no crime greater than offending your delicate—and legally irrelevant—sense of decency. You are, fundamentally, a bigot, and I don't blame your friends, having discovered a great gaping hole where ought to have been your heart, for shunning your company. Frankly, it's a bit poetic: you cast the gays out of your civil society, and you in your turn were cast out of your social circle. Very fitting, and maybe it will teach you empathy, though I won't hold my breath. Along the arc of history, I'm convinced that you and your ilk will, like the anti-miscegenationists before you, fade into irrelevance. Until then, though, we are against one another, and that is an opposition strong enough to test the bond between friends—and make enemies out of mere acquaintances.
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:44 am
Tarrou There are some division that mere civility cannot bridge, and some issues on which a person's stance may serve to indict their larger character. You weren't voting on a school funding initiative or what to name a sewage plant. Proposition 8 was about people's rights, and you voted to strip them of those rights. Whether you believe God tells you to hate gays (and don't give me any of that 'love the sinner' crap; when you feel justified in relegating a group of people to the status of second-class citizens, then it's reasonable to say you hate that them), the fact remains that you helped write discrimination into California's constitution, and you have done real harm to people who've committed no crime greater than offending your delicate—and legally irrelevant—sense of decency. You are, fundamentally, a bigot, and I don't blame your friends, having discovered a great gaping hole where ought to have been your heart, for shunning your company. Frankly, it's a bit poetic: you cast the gays out of your civil society, and you in your turn were cast out of your social circle. Very fitting, and maybe it will teach you empathy, though I won't hold my breath. Along the arc of history, I'm convinced that you and your ilk will, like the anti-miscegenationists before you, fade into irrelevance. Until then, though, we are against one another, and that is an opposition strong enough to test the bond between friends—and make enemies out of mere acquaintances. Miss your nap?
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:56 pm
Yes. I admit my last post was perhaps unduly harsh, but I the sentiment behind it remains the same. Consider the ramifications of your vote, Kazydi: think about the people it hurt, and then ask yourself if it was worth it just to appease your theology. You were willing to write discrimination into your state constitution. What does that say about you? And for those of us committed to equality, how do you think you appear to us right now? I'm sorry that you felt qualified to pass judgment on your homosexual neighbors; for my part, I will try not to judge you too harshly, though right now I admit that it is difficult.
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:23 pm
gays are born with the same rights as anyone else, including the right to marry someone of the OPPOSITE SEX. going on that logic, approving gay marriage would be giving EXTRA RIGHTS, favoring ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE over another, making it unconstitutional in the united states.
that was one of the reasons i voted yes on prop 8, and i got a lot of crap for doing so from some of my friends.
Tarrou-my boyfriend does not HATE anyone because of their beliefs, and it is WRONG of you to assume that he does, and yes, it IS because of the "love the sinner 'crap'" because i believe in that as well, and i don't call what you believe crap, so don't dis mine, and then accuse SOMEONE YOU DON'T KNOW of being a biggot, that's being judgemental, which makes you no better than him or me.
i have friends who ARE gay, and they didn't cast me out, this isn't a belief issue, but a depth of friendship issue. if those people were really his friends, it wouldn't have mattered what he believed to them, just as it doesn't to him.
i missed my nap as well, and i don't apollagize for doing so. that is the wrath of the over protective and slightly ghetto girlfriend.
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:46 pm
Tarrou There are some division that mere civility cannot bridge, and some issues on which a person's stance may serve to indict their larger character. You weren't voting on a school funding initiative or what to name a sewage plant. Proposition 8 was about people's rights, and you voted to strip them of those rights. Whether you believe God tells you to hate gays (and don't give me any of that 'love the sinner' crap; when you feel justified in relegating a group of people to the status of second-class citizens, then it's reasonable to say you hate that them), the fact remains that you helped write discrimination into California's constitution, and you have done real harm to people who've committed no crime greater than offending your delicate—and legally irrelevant—sense of decency. You are, fundamentally, a bigot, and I don't blame your friends, having discovered a great gaping hole where ought to have been your heart, for shunning your company. Frankly, it's a bit poetic: you cast the gays out of your civil society, and you in your turn were cast out of your social circle. Very fitting, and maybe it will teach you empathy, though I won't hold my breath. Along the arc of history, I'm convinced that you and your ilk will, like the anti-miscegenationists before you, fade into irrelevance. Until then, though, we are against one another, and that is an opposition strong enough to test the bond between friends—and make enemies out of mere acquaintances. I hate to get aggressive, but HOW MUCH SIMPLER CAN I MAKE THIS QUESTION?!?! scream In a nutshell: ❝Whether you voted Yes or voted No, did you lose friends over your opinion on Prop 8?❞Thank you for not answering my question, Tarrou. stare Geez, how old do you guys think I am?
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:49 pm
Tarrou There are some division that mere civility cannot bridge, and some issues on which a person's stance may serve to indict their larger character. You weren't voting on a school funding initiative or what to name a sewage plant. Proposition 8 was about people's rights, and you voted to strip them of those rights. Whether you believe God tells you to hate gays (and don't give me any of that 'love the sinner' crap; when you feel justified in relegating a group of people to the status of second-class citizens, then it's reasonable to say you hate that them), the fact remains that you helped write discrimination into California's constitution, and you have done real harm to people who've committed no crime greater than offending your delicate—and legally irrelevant—sense of decency. You are, fundamentally, a bigot, and I don't blame your friends, having discovered a great gaping hole where ought to have been your heart, for shunning your company. Frankly, it's a bit poetic: you cast the gays out of your civil society, and you in your turn were cast out of your social circle. Very fitting, and maybe it will teach you empathy, though I won't hold my breath. Along the arc of history, I'm convinced that you and your ilk will, like the anti-miscegenationists before you, fade into irrelevance. Until then, though, we are against one another, and that is an opposition strong enough to test the bond between friends—and make enemies out of mere acquaintances. On priciple, I do agree. As a homosexual, I certainly don't feel that I should be obligated to respect the views of those who would vote on something to make my life more difficult, while it has zero effect, either positive or negative, on their own life. But, in practise...eh. I don't see what good it does to shun people for that. In my eyes, to shun people because of their views, no matter how ridiculous I personally may find them, makes me no better than people who have shunned me, either socially or legally, for being gay.
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