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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:45 am
I'm not trying to get myself flamed for this, or something, because Dollfie owners seem to be so... obsessed. One rule in this thread: no flames.
These dolls are large things of resin. Things. They are items. They are items we take apart and put back together. We project our own idealistic personalities into them, and also assign them stories. A two-foot-tall chunk of resin is the prince of all Japan or was abused by her older sister and now she just wants love. Or even, my doll begged me to buy him new dresses - he just loves crossdressing!! Does this make sense? It's like saying my doll, his name is RISING SUN and he's gay for other dolls because his father used to abuse him in his past life in Africa and he likes wearing bows to express himself.
We say that our dolls feel emotions, they need things, they talk, they want. They have/had a life, they have hobbies, they love, they crave things. The dolls have emotions, have personalities, and they have preferences. We make them into little human androids that do what we want them to do in the name of the doll itself.
So, I ask you, Why do we assign inanimate objects personalities? Why do we make up a fantasy world or backstory about them? Why do we give them names and treat them like humans? Why is it a common theme for dollfies to be gay for other dolls [and straight only for their owners]? Is this like childhood where our baby blankets and teddy bears had names? Is this like making the person we wish we never were? What does the doll hobby mean to you?
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:53 am
I didn't post this on DoA because I'm not sure how a Dollfie community would take this. And I don't mean to bash on all that you believe in about your dolls, it's just that I've been wondering. I haven't gotten my doll yet, but I'm already expressing some 'symptoms' of this Dollfie craze.
I've picked out a name. (Kindasorta? Keep changing my mind...)
But I don't see any point in a personality or a backstory. What for? This doll... it's just a doll.
Perhaps this will all change when I first lay eyes on mine. Perhaps when I see him, I will change, and start dubbing him with a certain name, make him talk, form a personality, and even brainstorm some past events in his life. Maybe I'll start treating him like another person. Perhaps that phase of obsession comes after you get your prize. Or perhaps it all depends on the person who owns the doll.
I just want some input from y'all, no flames attached please.
(I'm so worrie dabout being flamed because any time I dare question the ethics of a subculture's workings and they go batshit crazy on me.)
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:37 pm
Ello!
Hmm, I see your point. It is kinda silly how many doll people say stuff like that but I do the same thing. I understand my dolls do not have emotion or have wants or needs but it's fun just to play pretend. Also a back story on a doll is kinda like giving a back story to a character someone made. It's just a drawing, it doesn't have want or needs or emotions but people who make the character who don't even use them or anything gives the a view of them having emotions and all that jazz. I can see where you an argure agent what I said but thats all I can think of.
Also I don't think you'll get flammed, and if so not that bad.
But I tend to say the same thing about my stuff animals I'm not really sure why but it's just fun. It's like playing house the a baby doll when I was younger.
But I still understand what your talking about. If you think about it, it is silly but not harmful unless you get super obsessed.
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:41 pm
I hope what I said made since. ._.' Sorry for the extra post.
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:13 pm
Yeah.
I'm not quoting anyone on any of my examples (if it seems so, it's coincidence) but some people are just ******** obsessed with their dolls to the extremes. I've yet to actually SEE someone converse with their doll, but many people's typing leads me to assume something like that.
I mean, yeah, kids when they were younger always did that. I did that! I kind still do! My baby blanket is still a 'he' named "Blankie." My sister's stuffed frankenbunny (because we're had to sew it up so many times) is a she named "Puffy." Perhaps it's to the same degree as something like that.
I used to play pretend that my dolls would talk to each other, but never to me. It was playing, a special designated moment of playing. What about a daily basis? A fully grown individual displaying these childish characteristics would be considered to be tipping the sane scale, wouldn't they? I'm just wondering what all the 'crazy' doll owners think of this and why.
Your explanation, Helena, is a lot like what I think too. That it's just like being a kid again, except this time with high-quality, super-expensive, fully customizable, and anatomically correct dolls.
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:59 am
Its is any different than writing a book ? This is using your creativity because sometimes giving dolls similar feelings to ourselves (not that anything you doll had happen , actually happened to you ) but embodying them with the same emotions helps you to not have to have those emotions quite so strongly. Same reason people paint pictures , or wright books , or poetry , or even act . Self expression eases the mind. Essentially it is a need to have a friend to depend on , who better than the one you created your self? I basically agree with Helena
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:33 am
Wow, I made since for one and people agree. O_o You have no idea how happy that makes me. <3
But yeah, me and my friend role-play which may seem crazy to people too.
I will most likely do the same thing saying my doll don't like this or that but I wont go overborde.. O_o'
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:38 pm
So, I-Onishi, you're saying that this doll is like an imaginary friend with an embodiment?
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:02 pm
I've seen a thread similar to this before on DoA, I remember it going well-- but I don't remember where it is.
[20 post edits later....]
All of my dolls are based on my original characters. I just wanted to make what I had in my head three-dimensional, which for me, isn't necessarily bringing them to 'life' via Frankenstein means. Just means I wanted a physical manifestation of them. Just love character design.
Having them in a physical form doesn't necessarily mean I speak to them of course. I find that pretty odd when others do it. It's more sensible to think that they're talking to the characters behind the dolls, not the dolls themselves if they do at all. So it's less of they're talking to an inanimate object to more of an exploration of that certain, creative part of their mind.
I personally become emotionally attached to anything I work on, mind you, but that doesn't mean I'll start up a conversation with my dolls, or maybe one of my paintings. I don't treat my doll as a human. Let's say, if I find a pair of pants I got for one of them doesn't look right, I don't say it's because he doesn't like them (maybe I'd say it jokingly), it's because I don't like them.
That said, I know I get chatty over inanimate objects when things don't go my way ("Why don't you just stand, goddammit--"), but I've never seen a person that hasn't done that before either, whether it was a doll or something else.
The doll is just the physical thing. You can destroy the physical thing (not that I wouldn't be upset over someone destroying my doll, lawl, what a waste right? My time, my work, my money...), but what's in your mind is still there. The doll's just the shell.
What you make in your head is matters the most. How you choose to project from there is your choice. If that means dishing out $1000 on a nude doll that you're probably going to bring a dremel to, then so be it.
That's the goal as I see it, for many people in this hobby anyway, even if your doll doesn't have a character, the point of the matter is, you're going to be using some creativity to get them to look the way you want them to. Added personas just take it a level further.
Oh and the gay thing. I think it's personal preference for some (myself included, but I only have one gay couple among my dolls) and for others, it's like a trend that never seems to die. Same with cross dressing. Unless there's valid reasoning, I think the owner just... wants to.
.... And then there's the ones that do that then complain their male dolls aren't recognized as males. Lawl.
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:10 pm
A lot of the personification happens because..... well they look strikingly like, uh PEOPLE? We talk to babies who have no clue what we're saying yet, because we like to chatter, as do we with pets. I bought Aquamarine because I thought she was gorgeous, and as I named her and waited for her to arrive, I began to have ideas about her personality and history. Same thing happens when I sketch out a character, I get inspired. Drawings and now dolls are my muses. And it was so easy to create an entire cast of characters around Aqua, and I'm hoping that I may be able to turn the whole thing into an actual story, but its so inspiring to look at your character as a 3D part of your own world.
And for one of my friends, she bought the dolls as a spiritual process. She buys dolls to embody different spirits and elements, so talking to them is kind of natural in that sense. She then believes they really have their own personalities, but just like the post above me, while she would be really upset and devastated if something happened to her doll, she would know that nothings really lost, just an object she placed meaning on.
It's human nature to want to make things in our image, and BJD are startlingly realistic sometimes, and they become very expressive in photographs and different lighting, it makes it very easy to project personalities onto them. Its the nature of the hobby.
I think the gay thing has to do with the yaoi/anime/manga/slash fiction crossover that meets with ABJD.
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:36 pm
This is some amazing and diverse feedback.
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:51 pm
`MaliceMizer This is some amazing and diverse feedback. I agree with you.
But I really really really agree with what Toya the Unlucky said.
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:27 pm
`MaliceMizer So, I-Onishi, you're saying that this doll is like an imaginary friend with an embodiment? YES. And I very much agree with Toya and Everdark . My dolls I am making myself from the ground up and they will in the strange artistic sense be like my children. Its even kinda the same way with a car , you put lots of money and time into something and your bound to love it , but you wont go jumping off a cliff if your transmissions falls out. So yeah my first or second doll is going to be based on a character I am writing a book about . The next is simply something to embody certain emotions I have , the third to drag with me to conventions to look pretty. Its all about love , you love something and you give it life. And yeah Id have a fit if they all got destroyed (once I make them) and maybe even cry , but nothing more than that (or scream if some one were to do it). Back stories make them worth that much more.
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:34 pm
I'm not such a fan of backstories... I mean, I would be protective of my things like a mother would be of a child. That's how I am with everything, even right down to my pencil sets. My girlfriend doesn't know how to treat things delicately, unfortunately, so I have to enforce a no-touch policy about my doll.
I definitely picked out a name, but like how fickle I myself am, that name is subject to change over time. Yuki, my KD Hodoo will be.<33
I'm not sure how attached I might ever get - I think the more time I spend with Yuki, the more I'll be like conjoined twins. NEVER LEAVE HOME WITHOUT.
What about you guys? Has your bonds with the dolls grown since you got them?
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:18 pm
Glad to hear I made sense.
But yeah, I'd say so. My first doll, I was honestly just going to dress up as my characters, he'd change over time or something. He didn't have real clothes or a name for a good 2-3 weeks after I received him. I became attached with him being something of his own instead of some doppelganger.
I'm at the point where it's weird not to have one in the room or just scattered about the house. Not playing with them (lately I've been studying, lawl), but it's nice to look over and see. Just having them around.
I used to smuggle them to school when I was still in high school. I liked taking shoots in different backdrops (besides the damn stairs in my house) or my friends just liked to see them. Mostly the latter.
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