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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:34 pm
I realize steampunk is based in primarily in the Victorian and Edwardian periods but I was wondering how steampunk and women's rights work together?
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:39 pm
female steampunk characters seem to be pretty independent....
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:41 pm
but the women didn't get the right to vote until 1920ish (well... in the united states... I don't know about anywhere else)
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:18 am
The joy of Anachronism.... Just because we emulate the fun stuff doesn't mean we have to include the negative. Though Victorian manners and courtesy would make the "modern feminist" turn green I find them refreshing.
I look forward to etiquette making a come back with the advent of pop culture picking up steampunk.
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:29 am
Ways I saw it, even though Steampunk is largely centred around the development of steam power and other technologies, it stands to reason other things could be 'advanced' as well - women's rights included.
Perhaps a greater spirit of invention led to more women doing 'their own thing' - leading to a sooner suffrage movement (and one hopes are more immediately successful one).
Whilst on the whole I like the ideals of Victorian etiquette, and strive to be something of a Gentleman, in find unfair rights most irksome indeed.
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:50 am
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:02 pm
My group pretty much said "eh, we're altering history anyway. One more detail wouldn't hurt it." In our universe, we had something called the "Great Reform Act" happen sometime around 1850 which put women on completely equal footing as men. We do have it somewhat loosely established, though, that older military institutions are still working through a certain amount of growing pains with it, even fifty years later.
Basically, we had to come up with a reason why about 60% of the Badger's crew seem to be women, including her captain. When more than one cast-member wrote into their backstory "it was the only military branch where she felt openly welcome," we decided to take that as a sign.
The bit of alternate history that piques my interest is the oft-cropping-up airship. So many SP stories and universes have well-established flight in the form of airships in the Victorian era, decades before the Wright Brothers. I would be interested to try and pin down the historical consequences of having widely-used flight thirty or even forty years earlier than we did in the real world. I could see things like Japan opening its boarders and the Russian Revolution happing a lot sooner than they did.
Berz.
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:31 am
The way I see it, at least in my minds eye, is that steamers in general are looked down upon by high society for being different, even if they use the devices to ease their life... In the book I'm writing, the captain and most of the "higher ranking" crew members are women... Not that it matters when all is said and done, rank being more of a formality when they're off ship than on... But I plan on the women in the crew getting the brunt of disrespect on the mainland for just that reason. After all, a proper lady knows her place. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:30 pm
Berzerker_prime My group pretty much said "eh, we're altering history anyway. One more detail wouldn't hurt it." In our universe, we had something called the "Great Reform Act" happen sometime around 1850 which put women on completely equal footing as men. We do have it somewhat loosely established, though, that older military institutions are still working through a certain amount of growing pains with it, even fifty years later. Basically, we had to come up with a reason why about 60% of the Badger's crew seem to be women, including her captain. When more than one cast-member wrote into their backstory "it was the only military branch where she felt openly welcome," we decided to take that as a sign. The bit of alternate history that piques my interest is the oft-cropping-up airship. So many SP stories and universes have well-established flight in the form of airships in the Victorian era, decades before the Wright Brothers. I would be interested to try and pin down the historical consequences of having widely-used flight thirty or even forty years earlier than we did in the real world. I could see things like Japan opening its boarders and the Russian Revolution happing a lot sooner than they did. Berz. I think it's safe to assume that Da Vinci's flight inventions got sponsoring rather than sitting in a old note book for a few centuries. Imagine the speed of scientific advancement if he'd been the forefront.
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:41 pm
Akonite I think it's safe to assume that Da Vinci's flight inventions got sponsoring rather than sitting in a old note book for a few centuries. Imagine the speed of scientific advancement if he'd been the forefront. *drool*
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:00 pm
Akonite I think it's safe to assume that Da Vinci's flight inventions got sponsoring rather than sitting in a old note book for a few centuries. Imagine the speed of scientific advancement if he'd been the forefront. Funny you should mention because... hmabadger.com 1502: Leonardo DaVinci invents the first practical steam engine. Da Vinci is where we diverge history! ^_^ That said, though, Da Vinci's designs were really more artistic than they were practical, a lot of the time. He had a lot of cool ideas, but almost none of them worked. Take the Da Vinci Corkscrew, for example. And some historians actually theorize that he did that with his designs on purpose so that if they were ever built without his input they wouldn't work. Basically, he wanted to keep his inventions from being used by the wrong people for the wrong reasons. He designed a tank-like vehicle that looked like a horse, for instance, that had two axes on either side and was supposed to go charging through the battlefield chopping enemies to tiny little bits. But if you built it as it is in the designs, it would sit in one spot, spinning in circles; the treads would turn in opposite directions. A certain amount of Da Vinci's own eccentricity kept him from being taken too seriously, a lot of the time. And his jealous guarding of his secrets pretty much meant that a lot of them died with him. Berz.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:21 am
Alright. I'm all for it, but if you start using the Airship to go get 'Feminine accessories', I am going to be pissed. On a similar note, I will not pilot any airship, whose purpose is the acquisition of tampons. And, let's face it: without Sidnay, if pirates attacked: ya'd all be dead.
On a more serious less jackass note, I would content that (reviving my old position) that is one of the manifestations of the 'punk' side of Steampunk; siding with the oppressed of the past, etc. I won't open that can of worms back up though necessarily.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:48 pm
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 4:19 am
I voted no for two reasons. One is for the comical value, and two the "girl who kicks everyone's a**" movie stereotype has gotten to a point of staleness that makes me want to shoot myself in the face. (Points being things like Lara Croft, Beatrix Kiddo from Kill Bill, Aeon Flux, and other really annoying crap like that.) I've got to problem with strong women, I'd just like to see a more realistic portrayal like Barbara from the remake of Night of the Living Dead, or maybe some of the Bond girls. Call me sexist but I think a girl with a supermodel body type would her neck broken before she even thought about killing the bad guy.
The second reason was for comedic value. Now shaddap woman and get me a beer.
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:25 am
Wolfgang Von Blasko I voted no for two reasons. One is for the comical value, and two the "girl who kicks everyone's a**" movie stereotype has gotten to a point of staleness that makes me want to shoot myself in the face. (Points being things like Lara Croft, Beatrix Kiddo from Kill Bill, Aeon Flux, and other really annoying crap like that.) I've got to problem with strong women, I'd just like to see a more realistic portrayal like Barbara from the remake of Night of the Living Dead, or maybe some of the Bond girls. Call me sexist but I think a girl with a supermodel body type would her neck broken before she even thought about killing the bad guy. The second reason was for comedic value. Now shaddap woman and get me a beer. Misogyny ftw.
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