Welcome to Gaia! ::

Loving Kindness: A Buddhism Guild

Back to Guilds

A Buddhism Guild for all Gaians, Buddhist or not 

Tags: buddhism, philosophy, religion, dharma, health 

Reply Loving Kindness: A Buddhism Guild
I need some minor help wiht understanding Buddhist teachings Goto Page: 1 2 [>] [»|]

Quick Reply

Enter both words below, separated by a space:

Can't read the text? Click here

Submit

kainhighwind2

PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:25 am


I've decided that I really want to commit myself more to the buddhist teachings(Not a whole lot, I'd overwhelm and burn myself out if I tried to jump in and immedieatly immerse myself in all things buddha, I've mainly just been living and doin what I feel is right, but I never actively sought to "do the good thing"(except in D&D) I would basically just do what I felt was right) and I had the following questions:

1) We are taught to question things, does this also include the 4 Noble Truths? Is everything open to questioning or is there an "excluded" list? I ask this because I was reading through the basic introduction to buddhist found in one of the stickied topics, and I found my self disagreeing with one of them. My main issue was with #3, because I do find myself really thinking that the world would be a better place if this was like this, that like that, and so on...

2) I've never meditated before, and I read through that basic guide to meditating, I'm still not sure how I would know that I'm doing it right...

I'll add more questions as I get them...
PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:54 am


1)We are indeed taught to question everything. Here is a quote from The Buddha himself:

Buddha
“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.”

— Buddha



2)There are two ways (that I know of) to meditate. The first is to clear the mind of all thoughts, sit in the lotus position, (or just cross-legged if you're as physically inflexible as I am!),with your back straight and breathe in and out, from the abdomen, keeping the mind continually clear of all thought. When thoughts try to invade-and they most definately will-clear your mind once again and keep at it. Persistance is key.

The 2nd way is to sit in the lotus or cross-legged position, with your back straight, breathing in and out from the abdomen, only this time chanting a mantra out loud or in your head. It could be anything at all, from "Om Mani Padme Hum", to "Mindfulness, mindfulness, mindfulness", to "loving-kindness, loving-kindness, loving-kindness".

There are more methods than the ones above, I am sure. I would advise that you do a bit of research and just go with whatever feels right.

Conan The Barbie Doll


kainhighwind2

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:19 am


Thanks, I've been trying to do the not thinking one, and it's really hard, I can barely get going for 3 minutes...
PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:24 am


i always wondered what people meant by 'dont know' meditation, which is ironic because i dont know anything about it. but i guess you are supposed to sit and examine what that could mean when you meditate in that style.

same with "just this" practice, though just this is alittle more self-explanatory.

those kooky zen monks and their cryptic sayings.

and im not sure if you have heard this a million times or not, but if you are having trouble not thinking, count breaths. focus on the counting. even then i still cant get three seconds in before i distract myself. but practice practice practice. more more more. keep going keep going keep going! i think eventually my mind will just get tired of trying to distract me and ill just beable to sit and meditate without thought, no problamo.

Jungle Boots


Conan The Barbie Doll

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:10 pm


Three minutes is a very good start, Kudos! After you've mastered three minutes-meaning it's a breeze-then shoot for five. Then eight. Then ten. And so on and so forth. biggrin
PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:41 pm


Well, I'm constantly getting distracted though, either thought pop into my head, or I get an itch or something. I suppose some of the thought issues come from my Asberger Syndrome, since I'm, more or less, constantly in boht the real world and my own little world... Either way, I keep trying to mentally tell myself when thoughts pop into my head "No no, stop, focus on your breathing."


...Man, meditating is A LOT harder than it sounds... I've also never 100% the entire meaning of meditation or the purpose behind it, btu I do know what a lot of it's results are, such as enhanced patience and stuff, one someone be kind enough to enlighten me on why we meditate?

kainhighwind2


Conan The Barbie Doll

PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:46 pm


Try this instead- When thoughts push in, don't "Speak" to them. Just push them away, silently.

Also, have you researched the benefits of meditation on Apserger's Syndrome? From what little I do know about the disorder, I think meditation would do loads of good.

I have ADHD, so meditation is a great help for me too. biggrin


Keep at it! heart
PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:40 pm


First of all, good luck with your Buddhism. Second, the purpose is meditation is not to 'not think' it is to simply observe your thoughts as transient. If you spend all of your time on your stiff little mat trying not to think, you're going to end up passing out. Notice your thoughts as thoughts; transient, and simply not real. That's it. Let it go. Don't fight thinking, it's impossible.
On another note, question everything. The point of Buddhism is not to stick to some dogma. That's pointless, and is exactly what the Buddha tried to fight against. YES, question the noble truths. Question everything. Question every single thing you read about Buddhism, as that is the POINT of Buddhism, to step out of your everyday thinking and realize that the story you've built up around yourself ("I'm kind, I was born and raised here, then I moved here..") and so on, are nothing but that, stories. Life is relative, so on so forth. Buddhism is not for someone just looking for something to relate to. The Buddha teaches us to step outside of thinking like "I should do this" or "I shouldn't do this." The thinking the Buddha teaches us about is "What is this?" and "Is this real?" or "Why am I upset?"
And here's the trick.. No excuses.
It's all really confusing. It's not easy for a young person to entirely grasp Buddhism. Took me a good year or so to finally "get it." And man, does it still slip from my fingers sometimes. Get a good book on Buddhism. The Joy of Living, by Yongey Mingyur Rinpoche is the one Im working on. Look through it and try to apply it.

Peace Love And Skate


kainhighwind2

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:30 pm


Peace Love And Skate
First of all, good luck with your Buddhism. Second, the purpose is meditation is not to 'not think' it is to simply observe your thoughts as transient. If you spend all of your time on your stiff little mat trying not to think, you're going to end up passing out. Notice your thoughts as thoughts; transient, and simply not real. That's it. Let it go. Don't fight thinking, it's impossible.
On another note, question everything. The point of Buddhism is not to stick to some dogma. That's pointless, and is exactly what the Buddha tried to fight against. YES, question the noble truths. Question everything. Question every single thing you read about Buddhism, as that is the POINT of Buddhism, to step out of your everyday thinking and realize that the story you've built up around yourself ("I'm kind, I was born and raised here, then I moved here..") and so on, are nothing but that, stories. Life is relative, so on so forth. Buddhism is not for someone just looking for something to relate to. The Buddha teaches us to step outside of thinking like "I should do this" or "I shouldn't do this." The thinking the Buddha teaches us about is "What is this?" and "Is this real?" or "Why am I upset?"
And here's the trick.. No excuses.
It's all really confusing. It's not easy for a young person to entirely grasp Buddhism. Took me a good year or so to finally "get it." And man, does it still slip from my fingers sometimes. Get a good book on Buddhism. The Joy of Living, by Yongey Mingyur Rinpoche is the one Im working on. Look through it and try to apply it.



I... see what you're saying but at the same time I'm completely dumbfounded... When I meditate, I try doing what someone else said, which was to simply count my breathes without being distracted. I can get through the first minute no problem, but then my mind starts wandering... I'm trying to work on it though. I recently bought a cd with some nice relaxing sounds and it's helped a bit.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:55 pm


kainhighwind2
Peace Love And Skate
First of all, good luck with your Buddhism. Second, the purpose is meditation is not to 'not think' it is to simply observe your thoughts as transient. If you spend all of your time on your stiff little mat trying not to think, you're going to end up passing out. Notice your thoughts as thoughts; transient, and simply not real. That's it. Let it go. Don't fight thinking, it's impossible.
On another note, question everything. The point of Buddhism is not to stick to some dogma. That's pointless, and is exactly what the Buddha tried to fight against. YES, question the noble truths. Question everything. Question every single thing you read about Buddhism, as that is the POINT of Buddhism, to step out of your everyday thinking and realize that the story you've built up around yourself ("I'm kind, I was born and raised here, then I moved here..") and so on, are nothing but that, stories. Life is relative, so on so forth. Buddhism is not for someone just looking for something to relate to. The Buddha teaches us to step outside of thinking like "I should do this" or "I shouldn't do this." The thinking the Buddha teaches us about is "What is this?" and "Is this real?" or "Why am I upset?"
And here's the trick.. No excuses.
It's all really confusing. It's not easy for a young person to entirely grasp Buddhism. Took me a good year or so to finally "get it." And man, does it still slip from my fingers sometimes. Get a good book on Buddhism. The Joy of Living, by Yongey Mingyur Rinpoche is the one Im working on. Look through it and try to apply it.



I... see what you're saying but at the same time I'm completely dumbfounded... When I meditate, I try doing what someone else said, which was to simply count my breathes without being distracted. I can get through the first minute no problem, but then my mind starts wandering... I'm trying to work on it though. I recently bought a cd with some nice relaxing sounds and it's helped a bit.
Right, right. But what is the purpose of a "meditation" in which you force thoughts out of your head? That's like saying "TRY NOT TO THINK OF AN ELEPHANT" and getting angry with yourself for thinking about an elephant. While the purpose of meditation is to find calm in the daily hustle and bustle of one's mind, the best way to do that is NOT by forcing all of that out. If you meet fire with fire, all you will do is create an even larger fire. An even larger hustle and bustle of the mind. The purpose of those cds is to give you something to focus on and relax to. Focus on it. Be entirely aware of all the sounds. If a thought arises, note that it's a thought, and LET it go. Do not force it, and that is exactly what you are trying. Almost every meditator experiences it. I do all the time. I have a hard time getting past 5 minutes when I do meditate. "MUST ATTAIN MEDITATIVE STATE" is the typical mantra. The message is to relax, and dont push yourself. The more you push, the more difficult meditation becomes. The point of meditation is NOT to clear your mind. The point of meditation is to be AWARE of your mind.

Peace Love And Skate


kainhighwind2

PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:22 am


I kinda see what you mean, but I don't know how to simply "let a thought go". I do try to focus on the sounds and music though, and especially the night before last, they became more...clear I guess the word would be while I meditated. I don't recall doing something different, but after I ended my meditation, I had this inexplicable urge to continue (which took the form of me with my eyes open, breathing through my mouth, I don't know why) which led, I think, to an epiphany about anger for my self (my friend and his girlfriend were arguing in the background as well)
PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:42 pm


kainhighwind2
I kinda see what you mean, but I don't know how to simply "let a thought go". I do try to focus on the sounds and music though, and especially the night before last, they became more...clear I guess the word would be while I meditated. I don't recall doing something different, but after I ended my meditation, I had this inexplicable urge to continue (which took the form of me with my eyes open, breathing through my mouth, I don't know why) which led, I think, to an epiphany about anger for my self (my friend and his girlfriend were arguing in the background as well)
I think you calmed yourself down enough to finally realize that anger and all is transient, and passing. Were you listening to the music, or being mindful of it? Forgive my haste, but I think you may have a slight misconception about meditation. The purpose of meditation is to be mindful of what is going on. Meditation turns you inward to be mindful of what is going on in your head, and in your thoughts. This is central to Buddhism, and ultimately enlightenment, because enlightment is an entirely introverted. An entirely inside job. Meditation shows you the core of your own being, and your own thoughts, and allows you to realize that thoughts are transient, just like cramps in your legs, and struggles with your mind. All of those things are to be observed, not pushed away. You strip away the the bustle and just look.
Imagine a pool mixed with mud. If you are still, and calm, and let things settle, as they are, the mud will settle to the bottom and you will be able to see the clear pool. If you try to push the clumps of mud from the pool of water, what will happen to the water? It will become cloudy with mud. The same is true of your thoughts. If you try to push your thoughts away, your mind will become even more cluttered. DO NOT try to push your thoughts away. Let them settle. If they will not go away, look at them. Don't engage them, just look at them. I would suggest buying a copy of Bhante Henepola Gunaratana's 'Mindfulness in Plain English.' Very good intro to mindfulness and meditation. =] Forgive me if I sound like I am asserting that I know more about meditation, I am just trying to pass on what I've heard. I'm not the best meditator myself, but in my experience, the things I'm recommending have held true for me very well. This is how I've always heard it.

Peace Love And Skate


kainhighwind2

PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:01 am


I'll look for the book, thanks.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:41 pm


Okay, so I've been trying to meditate without consciously counting, but I've noticed that during my day to day life, whether I am consciously aware of it or not, that I'm constantly sort of "narrating" my life with my thoughts. I can understand repeating thoughts to myself doing things like typing, but this is a constant, and is what I believe to be one of the biggest hurdles to really letting my thoughts settle when trying to meditate. I have no clue how to overcome this and I would REALLY appreciate some advice people have to stop this...

kainhighwind2


Peace Love And Skate

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:55 pm


kainhighwind2
Okay, so I've been trying to meditate without consciously counting, but I've noticed that during my day to day life, whether I am consciously aware of it or not, that I'm constantly sort of "narrating" my life with my thoughts. I can understand repeating thoughts to myself doing things like typing, but this is a constant, and is what I believe to be one of the biggest hurdles to really letting my thoughts settle when trying to meditate. I have no clue how to overcome this and I would REALLY appreciate some advice people have to stop this...

I know what you mean, I believe. I've been there as well. Perhaps this would be a good time to bring up one of the old parables.
A man went to the Buddha, because he heard he was a good teacher. When the Buddha greeted the man, he said "I've come to you because I have heard you are a great teacher, and could help me with my problems." So the man proceeded, "I have children. Good ones, but some times I wish they would just respect me more." "I also have a wife, a very good, obedient wife, but sometimes I wish she would quit nagging me so often." "I have a good life, but there's just too many things I don't like. What should I do?" The Buddha looked to him and shook his head. "There is nothing I can do." And the man, angered said, "What kind of teacher are you, then?" So the Buddha replied, "Everyone has problems. Everyone has 83 problems, to be exact." "83 problems? Then how does that make you a good teacher?" "Well," the Buddha replied "I teach you how to get rid of the 84th problem." "And whats that?" Asked the man. "You want not to have any problems." replied the Buddha.

by the way, sorry that parable is so choppy. I'm on a laptop, so I'm a little lazy.

There are going to be obstacles, amigo. Just remind yourself not to attach to anything. It's just a state of mind. All of it is passing. Don't worry yourself. That is exactly the essence of Buddhism, letting go of all the suffering. If it is an olbstacle, get rid of it. If it's hard, well, it'll be alright anyway, just keep trying. So this is, with anything in life.
Reply
Loving Kindness: A Buddhism Guild

Goto Page: 1 2 [>] [»|]
 
Manage Your Items
Other Stuff
Get GCash
Offers
Get Items
More Items
Where Everyone Hangs Out
Other Community Areas
Virtual Spaces
Fun Stuff
Gaia's Games
Mini-Games
Play with GCash
Play with Platinum