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StartingOver43

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:42 pm


I just wanted to get the debate going on a topic that has lasted over the years. Abortion = should it be legalized and for everyone or for just some. Tell me what you think guys and gals ...

I feel that in any general situation the answer would be know. I think that for medical reasons that could be a factor in the yes and I can see that if you were raped that the issue would be well in a factor. I do not think that I would want to carry the child of a man that had raped me. I am not talking about "date rape" or "sex without concent" in the essece that you know the person - I am talking and out and out rape from some loony toone off the street nasty rape.

I do not think that kids who just screw up and have sex just for the fun of it should have the option. They should be made by the state to go to a "state funded home" to where they will be cared for and taken care of until the time they have the baby and then the baby can be adopted by the hundreds of thousand of ADULTS out there who want kids and simply cannot have them that can take care of them and afford them. Then the girl can leave and go on back with life.

I think that if that was put into play then maybe there would be a lot less free sex and young adults on welfare with 3 and 4 kids that they don't want much less take care of.

So there - Hell who says Nanna can't get something started....YES - now it is your turn.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:55 am


I don't agree with him. Rape can be detected and if it is so noted after the crime at an emergency room then that is the way it is. Having a child from some psyco lunitic on the street with no telling what diseases and history is not the same as a "sex partner" you select. Sure it is still a baby but I think her thought was the mental trauma of the pregnency not the "child in question" - of course you are a man so what would you know about mental trauma over a rape when men are the ones that do the raping. There is a difference in the female body when she is raped and if she goes immediately to the hosptial and they confirm that she is ripped and torn apart due to a rape then I say the same as 43 - she has the right or should have the right to terminate something she had no part in starting. It is not the same as consensual sex that you just screw up and accidentially get pregnant but again like I said you are a guy = the more notches on your belt the better right?

partygirl0205


Inune

PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:16 pm


For those familiar with Marquis' stance on abortion, that is the stance that I find most compelling.

For those unfamiliar, Marquis poses the question of why it is unacceptable to murder someone (note the difference between murder and kill). He then presents what he thinks is the best answer to that question: it is unacceptable to murder someone: you rob them of a valuable future when your own life is not at stake.

The term "valuable future" is in broad use; it does not mean a comfortable life, financial success, or any such connotation. It means simply that one has the ability to give something to, and take something from life. And it makes sense in societal context; if we find someone to not have the capacity for a valuable future, we have no qualms in taking it away (e.g. criminals being imprisoned or flat-out executed).

The argument, then, extends to a fetus - and ignores the usual appeals to personhood and religiosity. The fetus, from conception, has the capacity for a valuable future - it takes an outside intervention to remove that capacity. For that reason, Marquis claims, abortion, for almost all cases (see below) and by our own standard for the unacceptable nature of murder, is itself unacceptable.

As an aside, though, abortion in the case of possible death during childbirth is left as an acceptable situation due to the fact that it now becomes a decision between the mother's future and the fetus' future.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:46 am


Master Secret Asian Man
Isn't that still the argument of potentiality?


no. The argument for potentiality would be something along the lines of "it's not human now, but it has the potential to be in the future," if I understand it correctly.

Marquis' argument would be condensed more into something like the following: "regardless of personhood, it has a future now in the same sense that a full human has a future."

Inune


Inune

PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:14 am


Master Secret Asian Man
But that's just arguing a potential future for both sides, which are both flawed arguments.


The point is that it's analogous to the argument we use to justify the unacceptability of murder - both hinge upon the removal of someone's capacity for a valuable future. Thus, if we continue to hold murder as unacceptable, we must also hold abortion (sans exempted cases) as unacceptable.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:01 pm


Voice of the Blood


Let me give you a quote dear one - I catch you calling anyone else in this guild and idiot and I will bounce your rude, disrespectful, errogrant a** right out of this GUILD !!!! Do you get me ???? I do not see anywhere where it says there is a WINNER to any debate in this fourm. It is suppose to be everyone a place where everyone can voice their opinions .... opinions they are like a** holes everyone has one! And they do not need to be called names because you do not like their point of view.

YOU GOT A POINT TO MAKE YOU MAKE IT POLIETLY AND YOU DO NOT - AND LET ME ******* STATE THIS AGAIN - DO NOT - DISRESPECT ANOTHER PERSON IN MY GUILD.

IF YOU CANNOT MAKE A POINT WITHOUT NAME CALLING KEEP YOUR SMART a** COMMENTS TO YOURSELF.

THIS IS YOUR FIRST AND LAST WARNING !!!!



1. Honestly, I find it hard to take you seriously when you post like that. I'm sure you're serious, but it's just so hard to see past all the blood red ink and overly big, emboldened words.

2. I guess that means it's okay for her to basically say all men are evil with this statement from her post?

partygirl0205
of course you are a man so what would you know about mental trauma over a rape when men are the ones that do the raping.


Honestly? If I see someone say something this obnoxious and stupid, I'm going to call them an idiot. If you think that I shouldn't, then I guess you're just going to have to kick me out of the guild.

Master Secret Asian Man


Inune

PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:40 pm


Master Secret Asian Man
Murder is also based on intent. There's no intent in abortion.


You're going to have to start elaborating when you seek to invalidate my argument, because without any explanation the claim that murder is based on intent to murder and abortion isn't based on intent to abort seems rather....absurd.
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