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Joss-Box

PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:51 pm


Hey,
Its part 3 of my research posts. Ive been finding many articles and debate about if Feederism is domestic abuse or not. So for my paper I needed a controversal topic and decided to run with that. I wanted to just put that out there. If anyone who is a feeder and has not filled out my survey, PM me and I will give you the questionare. So please and thank you!!!
PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:36 am


I am a feeder, and I think right off you have pissed off a lot of us.

I also prefer the term feedism, since it's more neutral and acknowledges the existence of genuine feedees, something most topics about feeders do not.

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zawazawaii

PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:22 pm


some people think we're stupid



I like the idea of it, and I've tried it, but I'm not big into it yet...


but we're not.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:55 pm


Um, do you still want us to answer your questionaire? I PMed you a while ago and you haven't responded.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:52 am


If it's consentual it's not abuse, take weight gain as another form of bondage play, especially when immobility is in the picture and all you are doing is slowly making someone bound. Instead of just tying them, slowly their movement is hinder by fat.
And just like other forms of bondage there are limits for safety. The dangers are real and severe which is why I usually stick to online RP feeding. Although if I were to find a woman who honestly wanted to be huge and wanted me to feed her, I would most likely take her up on the offer. Like I said though it's gotta be consental.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:11 pm


Out of curiosity, if somebody came to you and said they wanted to become huge, gaining weight to a point that was unhealthy and posed serious risk to their life and their quality of life (I personally could not stand being unable to walk on my own), would you question them at all? Make them wait a period of time and think about it? Have them go to a therapist?

I'm not trying to say they're crazy, I guess I'm relating it more to trans-genders... you have to go through counseling before a doctor will perform a surgery like that. It's a serious matter. Even on a less-serious note, at cosmetology school I have been told when a client comes in wanting to take her hair from a long length to a dramatically shorter one (we're talking a major change) we're told to ask if they're on their period, going through menopause, pregnant or at a stressful point in their life. If they say they are to any of those things, we tell them to come back two weeks after they've had time to think about it/their hormones settle. I view gaining that much weight in a similar way, I would hope feeders would tell any person they love, or even that they don't but are considering helping gain, that they need to be absolutely sure and to seek counseling for it first.

I can see your point about bondage, my problem is that with bondage you can take the ropes off at the end of the day. With weight it's much harder, or I'd be a model right now, haha.

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Fuzzy Necromancer

PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:54 am


Honestly, I'm not at all interested in a relationship where my partner gets so big they're seriously endangered by it.

It takes more time and effort to reverse weight gain. On the other hand, it's much MUCH harder, borderline impossible, for it to get "Dangerously out of control". You can't put on four-hundred pounds because you're feeder is on a roll and you've forgotten the safeword. In its ideal form, it doesn't involve harm or illness, and ill health isn't a direct result of the kink.

I'd venture to say that out of scat, bondage, blood play, and all the other fetishes out there, feedism is the LEAST likely to get out of control and lead to grevious bodily harm, sickness, or death. I think it's turned into this very dangerous and scary fetish because a lot of americans would rather get cancer than gain thirty pounds, and this lopsided mindset focuses in on things that question its assumptions.

It also kind of annoys me when feedism is compared to bondage, S&M, and other fetishes that rely on things focused on pain and humiliation.

Feeders are nature's way of ensuring that feedees can eat when they're too lazy to go to the fridge.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:39 pm


But my question was directly to his comment "take weight gain as another form of bondage play, especially when immobility is in the picture and all you are doing is making someone slowly bound."

If a person wants to actively gain weight to the point that they're immoblie, I am curious if before even starting their feeder would urge them to see a counselor to make sure it's what they really wanted.

Yeah, it would take some time, but it is possible. Adding just a bit of weight on a healthy person changes their health, there's no question. On an underweight person, it will make them healthy. On an overweight person, it will make them more unhealthy. On a person who is at their healthiest weight, it will make them less healthy.

I lost 30lbs and have gained back 15 since starting cosmetology school, I feel less healthy with those 15lbs, and at my heaviest (prior to losing weight) I had gained 10lbs extra in a week, which made me miserable and sick... and I'm the first to say how I am naturally always going to be bigger. Big boned, muscular, if I hit the ideal weight for my height I would be too skinny. I admit being bigger doesn't mean you're going to die, but adding extra weight you don't arguably need isn't healthy. Adding 15+lbs on purpose to me is a horrifying idea, because just gaining 10lbs makes me feel sick and lazy.

And like we both said, it's easier to gain that 10lbs than to lose it.

So my question still stands, if a person wants to actively gain a large amount of weight (not even a "small" amount like 50lbs or so) to the point where it majorly affected their health, would a feeder urge the feedee to seek counseling first?

I also can't remember the last time I've seen any of those fetishes you mentioned in the media for a person dying. Admittedly, I haven't for weight-gain either, but a major physical change that is hard to un-do to me merits counseling more than going and getting whipped once, realizing you don't like it, letting the wound heal and never doing it again. But people who have a bondage fetish are generally intelligent and very careful.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:23 pm


Yeah, he brought up the bodnage comparison. That post was for him too.

I think there is a question that a small amount of weight gain is guarenteed to have a visible and significant effect on a person's health. There can be a number of coexisting factors responsible for your change in health, and I wouldn't take one person as the gold standard for humanity. I mean, if everyone had the same scale reaction as you, I don't think it would be possible for people to be 400 pounds and still be alive.

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I also can't remember the last time I've seen any of those fetishes you mentioned in the media for a person dying. Admittedly, I haven't for weight-gain either


Yes, you haven't, but you're subjecting weight gain to a harsher degree of scrutiny than stuff that actively involves things that threaten health and life, where the whole point of the thing is to draw blood or cut off somebody's air supply for a while or do something that is intrinsically dangerous. Weight gain may complicate certain types of conditions (like damaged leg ligaments), and it may increase the risk of others, but it is not, in and of itself, a disease or harmful thing. Cutting, asphyxiation, bludgeoning, etc. these are all intrinsically harmful.

To answer your question, I'm not sure I'd phrase it as "here's the name of a good therapist." I'd maybe provide them with links to relevant medical information if they wanted it, I'd tell them to see a doctor before they start and at each stage, but I'd make the default assumption that they weren't total morons and where therefor aware of serious consequences with rapidly and massively altering their body mass. I would tell them that if they had any second thoughts or doubts, it would be a good idea to not gain, because you can always decide to gain weight again later, but it's harder to lose it. If it was somebody I had any degree of regular contact with, I would also check up on them as their gain progressed, see if they had any health problems developing.
I don't have any position of authority over the hypothetical person, so that's the most I can do.

"But people who have a bondage fetish are generally intelligent and very careful."

They are? That surprises me. I should do a study to see what factor makes them smarter and more wary than the general populace.

On that subject, most feeders and feedees aren't total numskulls either. I do understand that the majority of people who ask me about this subject assume that they are, so it's an understandable mistake to make.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:04 pm


Fuzzy, in all honesty, your automatic assumption that anybody not a feeder/feedee is attacking your fetish really hurts your argument in most threads I see you post in.

You attacked my question of if he would recommend anybody wanting to gain so much weight that they were unable to move see a therapist first.

You ignored my statement of I would tell somebody who wanted to chop their hair off to wait a bit before doing so. Not even comparing it with bondage in that point, comparing it with any major physical change. Nobody has claimed chopping your hair off is bad, but it can be a sign of bigger problems. I might not recommend they go to a therapist for it, most people aren't Brittany Spears, but I would make sure there's not something else going on. They won't die from cutting their hair, but they should be certain they want to do it.

I have said it before, you are a skinny guy, you have no idea what it feels like to have excess weight on you. Not only that, you come across as being so into your fetish you refuse to listen to any more negative criticism of how extra weight makes those gaining it feel. I am a fat girl, I have gained and lost large amounts of weight. Growing up I attracted fat girls as friends, while you may be immersed in the FA community, where the girls want to gain weight, I know how it feels from a personal standpoint, and from talking to my other large friends. I am not making up the effects of added weight on a person's body, and if you disbelieve me and honestly think it isn't a problem, I challenge you to add an extra twenty pounds to your frame and carry it with you for a few weeks or even months.

Also, I cut my finger cutting hair... does that mean I will automatically die because cutting? With many people into this stuff they're not trying to bleed bucket loads, and they're not cutting in places that could kill them. I am in no way into bondage or any of what you mentioned, but I have read books about sexuality which included such topics.

And here's where I'm going to be blunt and bitchy: stop being a d**k and actually listen to other points of view. I NEVER said that you had to tell them "I think you're insane, seek help" I said "would you ask them if they were sure about it, and if they really wanted to gain that much weight tell them 'I would really love it if you'd talk to a therapist about this first'" because if you're doing this with somebody you should care enough about them to put their health before your fetish.

I NEVER said that people into bondage were smarter than the common person. You read it that way because you like trying to take things as insulting as possible.

I NEVER said that people who were into weight gain were unintelligent, otherwise I would not bother hanging online in places I could talk to them. So you can ******** off if you think it's ok to put words in my mouth.

Honestly, I don't know why I responded other than I'm moody and I think somebody needs to give you a reality check.

And like I said, before you keep spouting that crap about how adding extra weight to a person's frame doesn't mean they'll feel sick and won't hurt them, you go through it yourself. Until then, I find your opinion is basically pointless because you have yet to experience it. I never said it does this to everyone, but I have never met anybody who gained excess weight and felt healthier, not once.

I will be the first to stand up for excess weight not meaning you're going to die, and that you can be healthy. I have even argued along side you when people criticize fat people, but I care about people's health physically and mentally. I am a neutral party who is open to both sides, but you do make me feel sometimes like do not care about the woman's health and would rather believe "facts" you found online supporting your fetish.

And if this is excessively bitchy, I'm very sorry I'm extra moody right now, but this isn't the first time I've thought much of this.

The Dread Pirate Ghosty


Fuzzy Necromancer

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:06 am


I'm sorry I reacted so acerbically to your post. I'm also sorry I misinterpreted your meaning.

I wasn't trying to see your post as offensive. What were you trying to say by "people who have a bondage fetish are generally intelligent and very careful"? Most people aren't terribly intelligent or careful. In context, I took it to mean that people with bondage fetishes were more intelligent and careful, and therefor it was okay for them to engage in potentially dangerous activity, but it wasn't okay for feeders and feedees to do so.

I was antagonistic in my reply to "Would you suggest somebody who wanted to gain a large amount of weight talk to a therapist first?" You made it very clear that it was a dramatic change, and something that would threaten their health, and I didn't properly address your question. My answer should have been yes.

You say you're very moody right now. I was very moody then. Instead of analyzing what you said, point by point, and calmly addressing your words and explaining my position, I lashed out at you as a substitute for attacking every bit of rumor-mill internet "feeders are abusive sociopaths" slander I've ever percieved. >_< This was wrong of me.

I would like to be forgiven if I took a less than favorable interpretation or misinterpretation of your comments.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:46 am


Based on the other feeders I've met online and even some feedees I'd say a fair portion of Feeders are ashamed of the fact that that turns them on. The fact that causing harm in the way of making them unhealthy is a big issue for them. It weighs in my mind definetly. I mean think about it, we can;t help that this turns us on, but it does. The fact that it can cause harm gives us the label of some kind of horrible monster.

Also I would like to state it here and now, the movie Feed is not an accurate depiction of the average Feeder / Feedee relationship. It was a horror/ action/ drama movie so of course it's going to be over the top. The man in the movie was obviously deranged and had issues of his own.

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Fuzzy Necromancer

PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:07 am


I don't feel any feeder shame. I only want to engage in feedism with a girl who wants to gain weight anyway.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:17 am


Fuzzy Necromancer
I don't feel any feeder shame. I only want to engage in feedism with a girl who wants to gain weight anyway.

Basicly what I said a bit more condensed razz

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Matt Pniewski

PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:21 am


It is, like many things, something that without care and concern, could be very dangerous.
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