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Cory Shallow

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:35 pm


Beside video game music boards (those people seem to have an absolute love for perfect notes) sites like 911 tabs have a lot of buggy notes and tone-deaf people.

I was trying to find the notes for the bass line from Bjork's Human Behavior as guitar tabs, and the closest thing I found was

e|---------------------------------------|
B|---------------------------------------|
G|---------------------------------------|
D|---------------------------------------|
A|--0-----0--------0----0-----4----0-----|
E|----------0--3-------------------------|


Laaaackiiiing. It kinda ticked me off because Bjork fans are supposed to be fanatics. I've never tabbed before, but this is what I've got and I think it's better

e|---------------------------------------|
B|---------------------------------------|
G|---------------------------------------|
D|---------------------------------------|
A|--0-----3--------0----4-----1----0----1----4----------0----|
E|----------0--3-----------------------------------0--3---------|
PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:29 pm


The only time I'll even look at a TAB is if it comes from a profession who had access to the master tracks, so he could listen to the guitar in isolation and hear things I cant.

Zlad


Zlad

PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:46 pm


Cory Shallow
I was trying to find the notes for the bass line from Bjork's Human Behavior as guitar tabs, and the closest thing I found was

e|---------------------------------------|
B|---------------------------------------|
G|---------------------------------------|
D|---------------------------------------|
A|--0-----0--------0----0-----4----0-----|
E|----------0--3-------------------------|


Laaaackiiiing. It kinda ticked me off because Bjork fans are supposed to be fanatics. I've never tabbed before, but this is what I've got and I think it's better

e|---------------------------------------|
B|---------------------------------------|
G|---------------------------------------|
D|---------------------------------------|
A|--0-----3--------0----4-----1----0----1----4----------0----|
E|----------0--3-----------------------------------0--3---------|


Listening to the song myself, I hear a straightforward minor pentatonic riff:

A|--0-----0--------0------3----0-------|
E|----------0--3-------------------3----|

That first TAB shows him hitting C# rather than C, and adds a superfluous A before the C#:

A|--0-----0--------0----0-----4----0-----|
E|----------0--3---------------------------|

Yours looks more off (sorry).

A|--0-----3--------0----4-----1----0----1----4---------0----|
E|----------0--3-----------------------------------0--3---------|

I made a short video showing the main riff.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:29 pm


i just look at tabs online when I don't feel like buying a 20 dollar book

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:42 am


Zlad
Cory Shallow
I was trying to find the notes for the bass line from Bjork's Human Behavior as guitar tabs, and the closest thing I found was

e|---------------------------------------|
B|---------------------------------------|
G|---------------------------------------|
D|---------------------------------------|
A|--0-----0--------0----0-----4----0-----|
E|----------0--3-------------------------|


Laaaackiiiing. It kinda ticked me off because Bjork fans are supposed to be fanatics. I've never tabbed before, but this is what I've got and I think it's better

e|---------------------------------------|
B|---------------------------------------|
G|---------------------------------------|
D|---------------------------------------|
A|--0-----3--------0----4-----1----0----1----4----------0----|
E|----------0--3-----------------------------------0--3---------|


Listening to the song myself, I hear a straightforward minor pentatonic riff:

A|--0-----0--------0------3----0-------|
E|----------0--3-------------------3----|

That first TAB shows him hitting C# rather than C, and adds a superfluous A before the C#:

A|--0-----0--------0----0-----4----0-----|
E|----------0--3---------------------------|

Yours looks more off (sorry).

A|--0-----3--------0----4-----1----0----1----4---------0----|
E|----------0--3-----------------------------------0--3---------|

I made a short video showing the main riff.


Good job Zlad! Way to go the extra mile! smile
PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:53 pm


I really don't see the second note as another A. I'm a complete noob at guitar (granted tenfold) but it sounds wrong to me.

Here's what you gave me.
Quote:
That first TAB shows him hitting C# rather than C, and adds a superfluous A before the C#:
A|--0-----0--------0----0-----4----0-----|
E|----------0--3---------------------------|


When I play that, I don't hear what they go along to in the video.
I hear this instead.♫

This sounds right to me.

And did you just say bjork was a guy? sweatdrop

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Zlad

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:29 pm


Cory Shallow
And did you just say bjork was a guy? sweatdrop


No! *lol* I was referring to whoever wrote the first tab you posted.

Cory Shallow
Here's what you gave me.
Quote:
That first TAB shows him hitting C# rather than C, and adds a superfluous A before the C#:
A|--0-----0--------0----0-----4----0-----|
E|----------0--3---------------------------|


No, that's the TAB you gave me! You posted two TABs -- one you got off the net, and one you wrote yourself. This the one you got off the net. It has two wrong notes: the 6th note shouldn't even be there, and the 7th note is a C# when it should be a C.

Cory Shallow
I really don't see the second note as another A.


Tonight I'll record an actual guitar (or bass) playing along, so you can hear it more clearly.

One thing you can do is crank the bass on playback (if your speakers or MP3 player supports that), so you can isolate the bass track a bit better.

When you start learning songs by ear, you have to be careful not to think you've got it right just because it sounds good. What do I mean by that? The line you have (going A C G, instead of A A G) actually sounds good. All the notes are in the right key. It fits the song. The bass player could have written that, and it would have worked -- but that's not what's actually on the recording. If you're playing along with the recording, it can be hard to hear if you have the wrong note if it fits. Listen again without playing over it. Try to sing the notes.

Another thing that really helps is to stop/pause the recording immediately after the note you're trying to figure out. Let's say you're trying to figure out what the third note in the riff is. You play until the third note plays then STOP the recording, so that note is the last thing you hear. Start it over, play until the third note then STOP. The keep doing that. It's easier to figure out notes one at a time like that (rather than listening to the whole riff then trying to remember each note). I've worked through long, fast solos, one note at a time, using that method.

Cory Shallow
This sounds right to me.


Lots of extra notes in there. This is the recording I'm working from; that's the right song, isn't it?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:48 pm


So here's another video. Not sure if this helps.

Starts with song alone, then me playing along with my tab, then me playing along with your tab. I'm not sure where you're getting all those extra notes... I just cram them in towards the end.

Sorry I didn't use a bass... didn't feel like hooking my DAC up to the computer.

P.S. Don't think I'll be posting any more of these kinds of videos. Took me like an hour and half to make that. *lol* It was fun the first time, just as an excuse to use my camera/editor, but now that I've done it once...

Zlad


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:00 pm


Quote:
No, that's the TAB you gave me!


Ohhhh. Oops, lol.

Quote:
When you start learning songs by ear, you have to be careful not to think you've got it right just because it sounds good. What do I mean by that? The line you have (going A C G, instead of A A G) actually sounds good. All the notes are in the right key. It fits the song. The bass player could have written that, and it would have worked -- but that's not what's actually on the recording. If you're playing along with the recording, it can be hard to hear if you have the wrong note if it fits. Listen again without playing over it. Try to sing the notes.


I'll sing the notes just for the sake of trying to show what I hear.
(there's a slight echo because the audio played while I was recording it, if that makes sense.)
vocal bass

Quote:
Another thing that really helps is to stop/pause the recording immediately after the note you're trying to figure out.


I stop playing after I hit a note I think is wonky, and I start right over again from the top. And yeah, that's the song.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:33 pm


Cory Shallow
I'll sing the notes just for the sake of trying to show what I hear.


You're changing keys there. That happens later in the song (the riff moves up a half-step, then back down). Are we talking about different parts of the song? I thought your TAB was supposed to be for the opening riff.

Did you watch the video I made? Did you see how I tried to fit the notes from your TAB in and they don't really fit?

Quote:
I stop playing after I hit a note I think is wonky..


I was talking about when you're learning it, not playing it. If you're trying to figure out what the the third note is (for example), it helps to stop the recording immediately after the third note (and before the fourth) so it's the last thing in your ears.

Zlad


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:41 am


honestly the only tab website you need is ultimate-guitar.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:43 am


osgood_schloter_boi
honestly the only tab website you need is ultimate-guitar.


UG is great. But sometimes their database lacks.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:44 am


Zlad
Cory Shallow
I'll sing the notes just for the sake of trying to show what I hear.


You're changing keys there. That happens later in the song (the riff moves up a half-step, then back down). Are we talking about different parts of the song? I thought your TAB was supposed to be for the opening riff.

Did you watch the video I made? Did you see how I tried to fit the notes from your TAB in and they don't really fit?

Quote:
I stop playing after I hit a note I think is wonky..


I was talking about when you're learning it, not playing it. If you're trying to figure out what the the third note is (for example), it helps to stop the recording immediately after the third note (and before the fourth) so it's the last thing in your ears.



But if I'm learning it why do I have to be trigger happy with the record button?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:38 am


Cory Shallow
But if I'm learning it why do I have to be trigger happy with the record button?


The PLAYBACK button. *lol*

"The recording" is the music you're listening to. Maybe that's an antiquated term...

Zlad


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:53 pm


Zlad
Cory Shallow
But if I'm learning it why do I have to be trigger happy with the record button?


The PLAYBACK button. *lol*

"The recording" is the music you're listening to. Maybe that's an antiquated term...


Antiquated? You find all your words in the lint filter or what?
xd
Oh well. Least it gives you that aura of otherworldly knowledge.
Back to human behavior, I've been listening to a sample of the bass line I pulled by running a sound cancellation filter on VDJ. So it's a looping mantra I'll eventually murder to.
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