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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:05 pm
I have one simple question.... what makes cussing so bad in people's eyes? I just don't understand it. I, myself, have been known to do this. But why? Why do the majority of christians get defensive about cussing? What sets it apart from just saying "dang" or "crap" or "shoot" when it's said in the same context with the same meaning with the same feeling? I just don't get it at all... why do our so called "principles" say that certain words are wrong and still some aren't?
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:34 am
If you ask me any words like that are wrong, whether it is a word people consider as swearing, or if it something as simple as shoot. Read this short story, I found it in my devotions for girls book a while back, it really helped me.
Minced Words
One evening Janis and her friend Carmen were at their school football game. "Oh no!" Carmen groaned, adding a curse word and using God's name in vain. "Look at that hairdo on the head cheerleader! Isn't it hideous?" Janis cringed when Carmen swore this way, but she didn't say anything about it. Just then the cheerleader moved to where Janis could see her. "Oh, my gosh!" Janis exclaimed. "It is horrible, isn't it?" The girls didn't pay much attention to the game, but they did realise their school was losing badly. When the opposing team made another touchdown, Carmen said the name "Jesus" in a disgusted tone. "Our team is no good!" Janis cringed again, but still she didn't mention the swearing to Carmen. When Carmen used "God Almighty" a little later, however, Janis had to speak up. "Gee Carmen," she said, taking a deep breath, "do you have to swear so darn much?" Carmen stared at Janis in suprise. "Well," she said indignantly, "why should it bother you? You do it, too!" Now Janis was upset. "I do not!" she protested. "You just did," Carmen answered with a laugh. "Oh, I know I say God's name and Jesus' name, but you say 'my gosh' or 'gee' just as often. And, what's so much better about saying 'darn' and 'heck'? What's the difference, Janis? You just change a couple of letters. You remind me of my mum and onions!" "Your mum and onions!" Janis exclaimed. "What are you talking about?" "Well, my mum hates to peel onions because they hurt her eyes, so in recipies that call for a lot of onions, Mum uses 'minced' ones,'" Carmen explained. "They're dried onions, and they come in a box and taste the same, but they don't hurt her eyes. You can't use regular swear words, Janice, bacause they hurt your ears, so you use 'minced' swear words. They mean the same thing as the words I use, but it's easier on your ears. If what I say is wrong, then so are the words you use!" Janis couldn't argue. What could she say? Carmen was right.
"Do not swear-not by heaven or by earth or by anything else." James 5:12, NIV
I hope this helped
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:06 pm
Totally right. Euphamisms suck.
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:14 pm
I've wondered this, too.
For most of my life I never swore... not once. But once I got to be 20 or so, I started doing it accidentally... just because, I guess... it's rubbing off from my friends and my sister. My mom aboslutely hates it. sweatdrop
It's a natural reaction sometimes, I don't even think before I say it. But I'd like to stop...
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:45 pm
We'd all like to stop. But it's nearly impossible. It's part of the struggle of Christianity. Check out Romans chapers 7 and 8. It's pretty awesome. It'll make you feel hopelessly entertwined with sin. Just remember that grace is always there, and that is what we REALLY desire.
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:06 am
This is true... i like the way you said that.
That story that JesusFreak_90 told was very similar to the one i had that inspired this topic. xd
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:43 pm
I don't think there is anything wrong with words that are generally labeled as curse words. Words in themselves, have only as much power as you give them. The F word for example, being one of the most over used, and yet most offensive words in the English language.
Before I continue, let me first seperate the idea of cussing, which to my understanding is not mentioned in the bible (I'll explain this in a minute) and taking the lords name in vain.
Adding any word with the lords name is blaspheme, ESPECIALLY when used in a derogatory or negative manner. This kind of speech is spoken against in the bible, and it even it weren't, it feels wrong in the heart as it rolls off the tongue. Words like "Geeesh" seemed to me, to be syllabatory swaps for saying "Jesus" in such a manner. And when taken in that vain, are also wrong. For Blaspheme in the heart, does not have to be spoken...only implied. Don't forget that God knows what's in our heart and just ebcause the word is different, the sentiment is still there. Blaspheme on any level is a sin, and worse yet, it is a sin aimed against the God we are supposed to love and adore.
Now onto the words which I feel are acceptable, but society has deemed vulgar...and why. Most of the words we deem vulgar, were actually done so, some 4-500 years ago. In the days of the English high courts, not everyone spoke the same. The Saxons for example, spke a different "language, then the angles who spoke a "middle english, and their nobles who spoke a high class of English. Middle english was typically acceptable in the English courts, however the lower class Saxon language was not. In fact, everything about the saxon's was deemed vulgar, they were slaves and not equals...and thus received no respect or kind treatment. Certain Saxon words, were adopted into middle English, and when spoken in a hig court, were recognized and deemed as Vulgar. The practice survived all these years. It's not for certain if this happened in the 16th century or the 17th, but it was around that time period. So lower English, as Saxon became known as, was barred from being spoken in the high court...and ever since has been considered offensive. Originally the F-bomb (as I will callit out of respect for those of you who might be offended), meant to penetrate...and evnetually became slang for sex.
So really, the reason these words are deemed vulgar, is because of history and the whims of a few noblemen and their self righteous desire to completely dominate a lower class. And it worked, all the remaining Saxons, adopted middle english. There is a bit more to the history, but this is the very very short version.
I just don't see the evidence that using words, that were not considered vulgar until 1600 years after the bible was written, can be spoken against in the bible. I understand that Blaspheme is a sin, but not "vulgar" speech, as vulgarity in speech is decided by man not God.
For evidence I cite the modern day belief, that preaching the gospel can be vulgar...or offensive.
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:26 pm
I think that people really need to improve their vocabulary. Sure, not everyone believes that certain words are vulgar. (I feel that they are just because I used to say them all the time and they never made me feel all that great) But, they are usually words that are used for a bad reason, or even no reason at all. What if I said the word "sloob" after every other word? Wouldn't that be annoying? It's the same way. I'd just like people to improve their vocabulary and spend more time talking about the pure things of God, than the dirty and even nonsensical things of man.
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:42 am
we hate cussing because it says in the bible, Matthew 5:34-37 "But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God's thron; or by the earth for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. Simply let your 'yes' be 'yes' and your 'no' be 'no'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one."
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:45 pm
yes, because it has a negative tone to it and i just hate it. you could always use nicer words than cussing
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:54 pm
barbiedoll13 we hate cussing because it says in the bible, Matthew 5:34-37 "But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God's thron; or by the earth for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. Simply let your 'yes' be 'yes' and your 'no' be 'no'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one." You're using that passage very loosely. He isn't talking about using the "F" word or any modern day "vulgarity...take into account that in today's society a lot of people find Christians ideas as vulgar...those things are defined by man...not God. This passage is telling us not to use anyone's name, be it god, our land, or our king...in order to give ur word more creedance. Like when you tell someone "I swear to God it's true...." Just let your "yes" mean yes.
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:21 pm
i belive curseing is when you say somthing against God like puting God in front of a 'curse' word or say "Oh my god!" because thats also negating God name the cuss words like a female dog or what beavers live in, or whats another word for sex (theres too many examles) but anywho thats what i belive currently
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:54 pm
I don't think that 'cussing', as most people see it, is wrong. Using God's, and other peoples, names in vain IS wrong.
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:29 pm
Lets see. This is the best way I can describe it. It just feels wrong to curse. And the bible takes it very seriously when someone cursed. Granted, they always cursed a family or person, but it was taken seriously.
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:58 pm
Well, we can't dwell on the past. Who cares why or how the words came to have vulgar meanings? The fact is that they do, and when people say them, we know exactly what they mean. I personally look at it from the point of view that it shows lack of character when people curse.
I mean, they don't sound pleasant. I don't think highly of people who curse left and right. Surely, they could find a more intellectualway to state their feelings. They aren't very considerate, because many of them spout off when they know that there's people around who either don't want to, or don't need to hear it.
The question to me is not why we do or don't like it, but why we do it. Do we do it because our friends do? Because these days, people who don't curse aren't "cool"? Because it makes us feel good to have the freedom to shout obseneties?
I'll admit I've occasionally thought a curse word, and once, upon finding my 9 year old fish flopping around on the carpet, ( he lived, but died last week at 10) I did say a curse word. I don't like that I did, though.
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