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Currently, I am having an immensely hard time believing that God exists. I have always doubted the existence of a god, and believed in evolution because it was logical. When I was younger, I read the bible as a novel, not as a holy book; the Q'uran proved useless, too. I just don't see how this abstract thing decided to create clay playthings randomly one day. It just seems more logical that chimps became smarter and smarter until they evolved into cavemen, who learned to walk upright and learned fire and became curious about the world and got the u.s. into severe debt and a needless war(just kidding). But seriously:

1. How do you feel about god and about evolution? The christian/muslim/jewish god, or pagan gods and goddesses, it doesn't matter.
2. Does evolution or creationism make more sense to you and why?

Lisa, I do agree with you on most of those things. Praying has never worked for me; I feel like I'm talking to someone who is like... watching T.V. and could care less what I'm asking.
However, I do agree with Wicca. The idea of something, some spirit being in everything; something that you can congure, in a way.
I feel like christian, muslim and Jewish gods are... crap. They're sexist, racist, and against so much. It's just not cool D:

I don't think there was nothing, then all of a sudden, everything. Thats just... ********, for lack of better words. I feel it was a mix a both, like... of corse it evolved, but where did it start? It needed a little push to get it going, and once we began to evolve, it got out of control of whatever god.

your making a fundamental assumption...
that religion as we conceive of it has the definitive voice regarding a supernatural entity...

what if god just wants to be left alone?
no worship,
no prayers.

first:
evolution is a collection of truly horrible science.
it grants itself a license to make random assumptions which no other branch of science would ever conceive of.

the process of evolution has never been observed.
in our recorded history the window of our existence as described by evolution is far to narrow for us to have done so, but currently it is little more then a theory! it is not fact!

i refer you to Darwin's finches... an example which i still hear trumpeted as proof.
that... is... not... evolution!
it is adaptation, the process by which latent traits emerge from within a creatures genetic code to adapt to it's surroundings. with Darwin's finches a new creature was NOT created, but rather through breeding and natural selection a creature changed to better fit it's surroundings.
the modern dog is universally agreed to be descended from the wolf by this process, and the diversity among the breeds is astonishing!

evolution is an interesting theory, and recent manifestations of the theory with the addition of mutation are growing plausible.
but still the numbers just do not add up!
for life to have evolved to be sooo interconnected the process is nearly impossible.

that life evolved, making the basic assumptions of evolution, it is possible.
but it should have looked very different.

this subject grows very, very long... and if there's interest i'll enter this debate in earnest.
but simply crying that God doesn't answer our prayers is NOT proof!
and believing in something because it is popular or cool is flawed reasoning.

and for the record, creationism in my opinion, is a cop-out as well. God did it so we can't understand it...
this is science where we have placed the limits to our understanding far before we have reached them.

Nihil, Darwin's finches are not absolute proof of evoloution, it is simply an observation of life. It is very likely that the observation was of adaptation to the enviornment. The following is a definition of adaptation.

Adaptation: "modification of an organism or its parts that makes it more fit for existence under the conditions of its environment"

That sounds quite a bit like the theory of evoloution, which is defined below.

Evolution: "a theory that the various types of animals and plants have their origin in other preexisting types and that the distinguishable differences are due to modifications in successive generations"

We will never know what the truth is, but people are curious and want to know. Why can't we try to figure it out? Until we know exactly what happened, there is no "possible" or "impossible" about what has already happened because we do not know. However, you are making these statements and telling us that evoloution "should have looked very different." Then how should it have looked?

I believe in God and i believe he created people, but we do share similarities with monkies.

I hate debating this as much as i hate debating religion, because we'll never really get anywhere. It's like 2 rams butting heads XD

True about rams, as you said; however, it can be interesting to debate, or at least talk about. So, why do you think we have similarities with monkies?




I'm sure I've seen part of it. If I remember correctly, what I did see was fascinating.
If I can find it on youtube, I'll be sure to post a link on the first post here.

I never intended for this to be a "debate," just a discussion. I don't think that god just decided to create humans, and I'm not sure that I believe that we evolved from nothing. However, there is one thing that both theories uphold: humans and the universe came from nothing. Also, that humans evolved from something, whether that be adam and eve for christianity, or monkeys for evolution.
and as for god, who says that he is a he. How do we know that, if god exists, he is a man? How do we know if it isn't a woman? How do we know anything? Science only provides the how; religion provides the why. science tells how humans came to be, why religion is concerned with providing the reasons that this happens. We, as humans, know not why we exist; we can never learn. We must rely on faith to tell us why, and seek the ways of science to learn how.