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 Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:27 pm
I just want to know what you guys think of this thread. I recently made a thread called "Debating is a snare of the devil!", check it out, i got it from a book.
Please read before posting comments.
Also please note that in this post, i hold no anger, no hate, nor any negative thoughts towards Homosexuals. I myself am no Homosexual, Im tottaly Hetero. The reason i am making this thread is because we have all seen the 'Homosexuality is wrong/right' threads, and frankly, im tired of explaining it to Homosexuals and to those who approve of it...
Also note that i will not show my opinions untill the end of this post. now it's just all facts from the Book, the bible...
(and to those who dont think the bible is Gods' own words and quotes)
The reason i belive that it is his word is because the bible is a story than spans over 3,000 years. Amazing to belive that there are hundreds of prophecies that have come true and not one has been proven false by biblical scientists, and even now, more prophecies from the Bible are currently being slowly fulfilled.
Homosexuality is the consequnce of rejecting the created order... God created mankind as male and female to procreate within the context of marraige. (Gen. 1:27-28; 2:18-24). So pretty much, Homosexual behavior should be recognized as sinful because it violates Gods's origonal plan for a Heterosexual lifestyle.
Paul makes comments about Homosexuality in Romans 1:18-32 (depending which type of bible you may have), that Homosexuality is one qonsequence of rejecting God as creator and his created order. Paul also indicates that Gay and lesbianism result from denial of God. He begins by showing that through rejection of the "creation" (1:20) and "the creator" (1:25) "Women exchange natural sexual intercourse for what is unnatural" (1:26). He ALSO adds that men "left natural sexual intercourse with females and were inflamed with thier lust for one another. Males commited shameless acts with other males"(1:27).
This is Pauls argument: 'Because these people reject God, he gives them over to the desires of thier own sinful hearts.' In the course of this text, Paul uses harsh words such as "uncleanness", "dishoner", "vile passions", "error", "debased mind", and the one that really stands out is "not fitting". in Romans 1:32, Homosexuality is deserving of death, not only to those who practice it, but to those who approve of it as well.
Homosexuality is a sin that results in judgement..... The first mention of Homosexuality in the bible depicts God's judgement that it is a SIN. It was mainly the outstanding trangression of Sodom and Gomorrah. The severity of the judgement, indicates the seriouseness of this sin (Genisis: 19:1-11). Both of the cities were tottaly destroyed as "the lord rained on Sodom and Gomorrah with brimestone and fire" (Genisis 19:24). (brimestone can reach as much as 3,000 degrees!!!) The citites were burned to ash because thier inhabitants had given themselfs to "sexual immorality and practiced perversions" (2 Peter 2:6-7; Jude7)
Homosexualtity disqualifies ones entrance to Heaven......
Though it is forgivable and changeable through Jesus Christ.
However ungodley and undeserving of heaven any Homosexual might be, there is the opportunity to be forgiven, changed and declared rightouse through Jesus Christ ( yup, declared rightousness)
Paul continues in 1 Corinthians 6:11 to say, "some of you were like this", the Corinthian church evidently contained some former Homosexuals who had been converted. Furthermore, Pauls adds of them, "but you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of God."
THE HOMOSEXUAL WHO REPENTS AND BELIVES RECIVES THE SAME CLEANSING, SANTIFICATION, AND JUSTIFICATION AS EVERY OTHER BELIVER WHO TURNS FROM SIN TO CHRIST.
Now for my thoughts... God doesn't hate Homosexuals, thats a mistake some christians may make, but they still have time to learn. You see, having the Holy Spirit is like being 'born again', but differently, you see the world in a whole new way. A way that tell you the truth. Some people say "well ive been a christian for ten years and it didn't turn out good for me"... well, perhaps it's you who didn't do to well to the foundation of christianity. It's a weakness alot of "so called Christians" have, when trouble comes along, they give up... well thats what christian living is. it's the hardest thing in the world to live as a 100% perfect Christian, nothing is harder than that. As Jesus Christ say's, "come with me and hold a cross of your own", it means that we have to follow him with heavy burdons.
As i said, God doesn't ahte Homsexuals, he HATES the ACTS and THOUGHTS of Homosexuality. He killed most of the poeple in Sodom and Gommorah because they were so sinful. 3,000 degrees of brimestone destroying a wicked city is how much God Detests/ Hates Homosexuality.
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Please tell me if any of the information is wrong, i'd like to fix on 'em and stuff. You know...
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:38 pm
Ok. To be gay is a sin. The Bible says that we should not practice it. Plus, it's just down right disgusting. If you are a christian and you become gay, you still still go to Heaven. When you are a christian, you are always a christian.
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:04 pm
Alright my opinion...Yes it IS a sin however I believe that they have no choice on becoming gay or bi or whatever. It really isnt there fault to feel that way HOWEVER if they are and know it is a sin they can push back all the feelings they have. It will depress them for a while but because they arent sinning God will help rid the feelings. Some christiands or non christians howver who know its a sin doint care bcause the feeling is so deep tht they sin anyways..
I dont exactly agree on homosexuality however I respect them and think they should have the same rights as we do. It is a sin but sometimes they just cant fight against it.
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:22 pm
Here is what the studies say, yet how convient that these studies are never printed or showed by the media... stare
Your personality is determined 50% by genes and 50% by environment, and because of that, you cant be born homosexual, and it can be determined by your state-of-mind, which you can change through convincing yourself.
Your genes can make you more susceptible to be gay, but saying that makes you born gay is like saying I was born with cancer because it is in my family gene pool.
God would not make it a sin if you had no choice in the matter, because sin is a chosen decision against the Lord.
Homosexuality is as much a state of mind as is being Republican or Democrat.
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:19 pm
What i think is kind of unexplainable ..but i'll try it anyway. I never like to listen to all those "scientific" studies, cuz quite honestly i dont believe studies on a few people can judge how a person really is. If a person isn't attracted to a female, its not always because their mind was convinced to do so. I think every person has different reasons for everything. I have a friend who's gay, and i asked him about it, and he said its just because he was never attracted to females. He developed a closer relationship with males than females. Plus he's not a christian. Granted, it may be a sin and a horrible thing to us, but you have to remember, not everyone thinks the same. It does violate God's plan, but not everyone really cares about God's plan ..even if we want them to. The homosexual's should know that they commited a sin, but we shouldn't go around telling them they're wrong like that, because then we'll have atheists forever. I think christians should be welcoming under every circumstance, cuz that was part of God's plan also. Just my thoughts.
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:18 pm
Ventrisida Alright my opinion...Yes it IS a sin however I believe that they have no choice on becoming gay or bi or whatever. It really isnt there fault to feel that way HOWEVER if they are and know it is a sin they can push back all the feelings they have. It will depress them for a while but because they arent sinning God will help rid the feelings. Some christiands or non christians howver who know its a sin doint care bcause the feeling is so deep tht they sin anyways.. I dont exactly agree on homosexuality however I respect them and think they should have the same rights as we do. It is a sin but sometimes they just cant fight against it. Yes, your probably right
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:25 pm
Skyburn Here is what the studies say, yet how convient that these studies are never printed or showed by the media... stare Your personality is determined 50% by genes and 50% by environment, and because of that, you cant be born homosexual, and it can be determined by your state-of-mind, which you can change through convincing yourself. Your genes can make you more susceptible to be gay, but saying that makes you born gay is like saying I was born with cancer because it is in my family gene pool. God would not make it a sin if you had no choice in the matter, because sin is a chosen decision against the Lord. Homosexuality is as much a state of mind as is being Republican or Democrat. Thats true, it would be foolish if you were born Homosexual, god doesn't like it, so why would he make you that way?
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:46 pm
Thief101.9 Skyburn Here is what the studies say, yet how convient that these studies are never printed or showed by the media... stare Your personality is determined 50% by genes and 50% by environment, and because of that, you cant be born homosexual, and it can be determined by your state-of-mind, which you can change through convincing yourself. Your genes can make you more susceptible to be gay, but saying that makes you born gay is like saying I was born with cancer because it is in my family gene pool. God would not make it a sin if you had no choice in the matter, because sin is a chosen decision against the Lord. Homosexuality is as much a state of mind as is being Republican or Democrat. Thats true, it would be foolish if you were born Homosexual, god doesn't like it, so why would he make you that way?
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:37 am
I think it is sinful yes I also think it is disgusting but some people just arnt attracted to the opposite sex so I dont get that really
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:32 pm
macfox717 Thief101.9 Skyburn Here is what the studies say, yet how convient that these studies are never printed or showed by the media... stare Your personality is determined 50% by genes and 50% by environment, and because of that, you cant be born homosexual, and it can be determined by your state-of-mind, which you can change through convincing yourself. Your genes can make you more susceptible to be gay, but saying that makes you born gay is like saying I was born with cancer because it is in my family gene pool. God would not make it a sin if you had no choice in the matter, because sin is a chosen decision against the Lord. Homosexuality is as much a state of mind as is being Republican or Democrat. Thats true, it would be foolish if you were born Homosexual, god doesn't like it, so why would he make you that way? Its also one of my pastors statements. Sin is a choice. Homosexuality is a sin. Now lets put a little algebra into this. (s will be Sin) (h will be Homosexuality) (c will be Choice.) s=h s=c therefore, because c=s=h, 'h' must equal 'c'. That is the only real life use I have found for algrebra. So what they teach you in school really does help you on in life!
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:38 am
Skyburn macfox717 Thief101.9 Skyburn Here is what the studies say, yet how convient that these studies are never printed or showed by the media... stare Your personality is determined 50% by genes and 50% by environment, and because of that, you cant be born homosexual, and it can be determined by your state-of-mind, which you can change through convincing yourself. Your genes can make you more susceptible to be gay, but saying that makes you born gay is like saying I was born with cancer because it is in my family gene pool. God would not make it a sin if you had no choice in the matter, because sin is a chosen decision against the Lord. Homosexuality is as much a state of mind as is being Republican or Democrat. Thats true, it would be foolish if you were born Homosexual, god doesn't like it, so why would he make you that way? Its also one of my pastors statements. Sin is a choice. Homosexuality is a sin. Now lets put a little algebra into this. (s will be Sin) (h will be Homosexuality) (c will be Choice.) s=h s=c therefore, because c=s=h, 'h' must equal 'c'. That is the only real life use I have found for algrebra. So what they teach you in school really does help you on in life!
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:11 pm
Thats exactly what I was trying to say.
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:25 pm
I entirely respect your opinions and all but I don't toally agree with you guys because I infact am bi. *hides for fear of getting flammed* But I personally think that homosexuality isn't really a choice. I'm a true believer that God had a set plan for us from the day we were born and made our lives into something like a novel. He PLANNED for a homosexual to be homosexual. That doesn't mean that it's a sin. If you really think about it, some parts of the Bible were also written by people who said that they should treat women like a piece of meat. Don't hurt me for asking this, but should we really listen to everything the Bible says if it says something like that? Do we still treat women like meat? Is homosexuality really all that bad?
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:00 pm
It is a choice. It says clearly in the Bible in both the OT and the NT that homosexuality is sinful. He may "know" that someone will be homosexual, but that in no way means that is what He wanted that person to be homosexual. A relationship is for a man and a woman ONLY. Never try to justify something that you're doing wrong.
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:17 pm
I never said I was doing anything wrong. All I said was that I am bi. I never said that I'm dating a girl(btw, I'm a girl). Don't automatically assume. It may be a choice to some and those people aren't exactly homosexual. It's not like I just woke up one morning saying, "I wanna be bi." It just happened that way. I tried to convince myself not to be, but I couldn't. It wasn't a choice for me.
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